Thailand selects Gripen and Erieye

roberto

Banned Member
Firstly, they are neither exactly the same width nor exactly the same length.Nor is the ratio between them exactly the same. There is a superficial similarity in wing shape, but many differences in detail.

Secondly, even if they were, that would not make it a replica. The positioning of the intakes makes a great difference to the aerodynamics, & is far from being the only difference. The fuselage is a completely different shape. The wing/fuselage join is completely different. Fin is a different shape. Etc, etc. Each of these affects the flow of air over the aircraft, & thus the aerodynamics. In reality, there is not a single part which matches.
They almost the same length and wide. I saw a poster @CDF. Overall aerodynamic shape is the same. even weight at 6500kg is same. if u take out 500kg difference in engine weights.
so trying to achieve the same result as F-16. Offcourse there will be differences in design as there is 30 years gap.
which cannot be said about J-10 which closely follow EF aerodymanic philoshpy and hence required more complex FBW system.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
You are now admitting that what you first said (it's an exact replica) is false. Give up!

Similar (not identical) size & weight don't make it a replica. Yes, the wing shape is similar (but not identical - note that with about the same wingspan, the JF-17 is reported to have a slightly smaller wing area), but the fuselage is a very different shape indeed.

I find this baffling. What's your problem? Why can't you see the obvious?
 

roberto

Banned Member
You are now admitting that what you first said (it's an exact replica) is false. Give up!

Similar (not identical) size & weight don't make it a replica. Yes, the wing shape is similar (but not identical - note that with about the same wingspan, the JF-17 is reported to have a slightly smaller wing area), but the fuselage is a very different shape indeed.

I find this baffling. What's your problem? Why can't you see the obvious?
Even late model F-16BLK-60 does not look like F-16A but it does not mean it does not follow the same aerodynamic concept. Almost 40% weight differece but FC-1/F-16A has 10% weight difference with less than 5% dimension difference.

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Dalregementet

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Even late model F-16BLK-60 does not look like F-16A but it does not mean it does not follow the same aerodynamic concept. Almost 40% weight differece but FC-1/F-16A has 10% weight difference with less than 5% dimension difference.
Look at the videos same aerodynamic concept. than look at J-10 videos as maneovrs are done at higher altitutde with external Tank. It closely follow EF aerodynamic concept.

YouTube - F-16 Vs JF-17 Turn-Rate Comparison.
YouTube - J10 flying video

I don´t want to be rude, but I think this is very much off topic.
 

Feanor

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Yeah guys lets move this back on topic. What other implications are there of choosing the Grippen and Erieye that haven't been covered yet? Could this deal be a precursor to a second deal, or possibly even a more extensive defense-sphere relationship?
 

Sawadi

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Could this deal be a precursor to a second deal, or possibly even a more extensive defense-sphere relationship?
This is my first post, so go easy on me...

I think it will lead to a longer term defence relationship with Sweden. Skyman had posted that the deal includes masters level scholarships, which will enable Thailand to develop its own defence science organisation.

What Thailand is keen on not just the Gripen and the AWACs - they are keen to learn from another air force - how to plan and how to fight. It is not rich like Singapore - who can send their pilots abroad to train. Thailand has to get its allies to come to Thailand to train our guys. Further, learning is not only taking place at pilot level, we are larning from the Swedish generals - how they plan and what can we do to make the Thai air force modern.

This also indicates a strategic shift for Thailand away from just the US. Thailand is also buying military equipment and navy ships from China and Singapore.
 
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Skyman

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Yeah guys lets move this back on topic. What other implications are there of choosing the Grippen and Erieye that haven't been covered yet? Could this deal be a precursor to a second deal, or possibly even a more extensive defense-sphere relationship?
The most possible thing in the near future after RTAF complete all 12 jets is to procure another 6 to meet a requirement of 18 aircraft per a fighter sqn. RTAF still got one F-5 sqn. left which is the Israeli-upgraded F-5T Tigres (Do not confuse with Singaporean F-5S/T) and it will be in service for another 10 years+. Maybe close to RoKAF's F-5 retirement schedule. If we talk about second F-5 replacement program, Gripen is more likely an answer consider the history that RTAF strict on F-16 for more than 20 years in four batchs. If Sweden could convinces RTAF to strict on Gripen we may see a second sqn. of Gripen.

But in that time if F-35 avaliable for us. Gripen NG vs. F-35 might change some situation here despite RTAF previously said they eye F-35 as a F-16 replacement.

Wait and see. :rolleyes:

But we surely could expect on a more extensive Thai-Swedish defense relationship. In the Thailand-Sweden Joint Plan of Action for 2005 - 2009, both countries said they will enhance the military tie. Here is the detail. :D

4.2 U Defence and Military Cooperation
URationale
Sweden and Thailand agree to strengthen the defence related cooperation between the Ministries of Defence and the Defence authorities.
UJoint Plan of Action
Sweden and Thailand will, inter alia:

a. promote high level exchanges of visits, training and educational courses for Swedish and Thai military officers in the respective countries;

b. promote transfer of technology in conventional weapons and
promote dialogues on military issues within the existing framework of the Memorandum of Understanding on Defence Cooperation in the field of Logistics and Support and Other Related Activities between the Governments of the Kingdoms of Sweden and Thailand;

c. facilitate the feasibility studies of the procurement of Sweden’s air defence aircraft, taking into account the proposed barter trade between agricultural products and aircrafts by the Thai side as well as looking into the details of the offset arrangements of the Swedish side;

d. promote a close cooperation between the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) and the Swedish Air Force in areas such as the future development of air defence systems, joint exercises, shared logistics support capabilities, training support, specialist aviation training, cooperation in the development of tactics etc. The area of cooperation shall be further developed in a Memorandum of Understanding on Defence Cooperation between the Ministries of Defence of Sweden and Thailand;

e. promote bilateral defence related research between the Swedish Defence Research Agency (FOI), and corresponding Thai institutions. The scope of cooperation will be developed in a special memorandum;

f. enhance cooperation in the areas of mutual interest, for example the Swedish Proposal including training and technology transfer enabling the indigenous capability to support the air defence system over a lifetime that would enable the establishment of a Systems and Software Development Center; and

g. enhance cooperation between the Swedish Defence Industries and Thai agencies concerned such as Thai Aviation Industry (TAI), Thai Aerospace and Defence Industry, in developing maintenance and support capabilities of Thailand.


http://www.swedenabroad.com/SelectImage/4853/Joint_Plan_of_Action_svensk_version.pdf
This is my first post, so go easy on me...

I think it will lead to a longer term defence relationship with Sweden. Skyman had posted that the deal includes masters level scholarships, which will enable Thailand to develop its own defence science organisation.
I agree. Several months ago I read the post of one member on Thai webboard that he considering whether to complete for the Master degree on Datalink technology or not. We do not have enough resource to invest in large and intensive self-development project like Singapore, learning from a well-established source is cheaper and faster, especially in the situation where you want to become a net centric air force.

This also indicates a strategic shift for Thailand away from just the US. Thailand is also buying military equipment and navy ships from China and Singapore.
But I like to say Thailand is diversifying its strategy. Military relation with China is growing very good. Sweden is a new commer but relation is improving fast. While we alway have a good relation with Singapore and relation with India is taking off. But US still the top of the line in near and far future. This is might be just to said that we still remain your (US) close friend as always but reserves a right to make friend with the other no matter who they are. :)
 

Skyman

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Thank Singatory for this. Also thank google tanslate. :)



Thais get to know the JAS 39 Gripen
Publicerad: 11 februari 2009 kl 13.00

Four engineers and two English teachers from Thailand have come to the Armed Forces technical school (FMTS) to attend a two-week "Familia Riza Foundation course" (general technical course) on the JAS 39 Gripen system.

The course is built on having two weeks to F 7 in seats where they, inter alia, will carry out "On Job Training (OJT). The aim is that they should be aware of the technical and linguistic level required of the participants for the training of Thai engineers starting in 2010. Then the 40 Thai engineers get their technical training on the Gripen JAS-sytemet of 39-section of FMTS. Half of the strength of the spring and the other half for the autumn.

Thais came to Sweden on Sunday and live in kadettbyn just like the students to do. Both the accommodation and facilities in Halmstad has impressed the guests.

- It is also very practical things that will work, "explains Pedro Fortea, course manager. Details really, but that is just as important for those who come here. For example, where and how you can access the Internet, where and how you can call home, what a taxi will cost, where you can shop and where they can cook their own food.

- It will be exciting and interesting to take note of the Swedish culture in the meantime we are here, said English teacher Wasana Sa-Ngounpouk after the course first review. But the top was discussed during the break the weather was.
- It is really cold, said Wing Commander Somkrit Than Your. The cold meant that Monday's first stop of the six Thais had become service repository, where they had to borrow more appropriate clothing for the Swedish winter.


http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Skol.../Nyheter/Thailandare-lar-kanna-JAS-39-Gripen/



Thai Air Force to visit
Published: February 13, 2009 at 13.26
Blekinge Air (F 17)

This week, twelve delegates from the Thai Air Force along with representatives of the Defense Materiel Administration and Representatives visited Blekinge The air to see how the Swedish Air Force solves activities, security and builds on the Gripen system.

The program which lasted two days were packed full from start to finish for the entire delegation. The Thai representatives, and each one had specific fields of expertise, was happy when they left the F 17 on Thursday afternoon.

Thailand is the latest country who have decided to arm its air force with the JAS 39 Gripen. Preparations are in full swing before the first delivery taking place at the beginning of 2011.

http://www.mil.se/sv/I-Sverige/Utbi...F-17/Nyheter/Thailandska-flygvapnet-pa-besok/



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Batch 2 Update. The news said Defense minister approve the purchase of Gripen in next fiscal year. This mean any contact sign must be done between october 2009 - september 2010 which is the fiscal year of 2010. :cool:

Air Force to earmark next year's tie-over budget to buy Grippen fighters
By The Nation


Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan on Thursday gave his blessing for the Air Force to buy six additional Grippen fighters from Sweden starting next fiscal year with the budget spreaded over five years.

The planned procurement would complete the deployment of a squadron.


Prawit said the financing would be allocated from the Air Force budget, hence not be a burden on the government spending.


The new squadron of fighter jet is justified in order to decomission old aircraft in service for more than 30 years, he said.

http://nationmultimedia.com/2009/02/12/politics/politics_30095568.php
 

Skyman

New Member
DATE:25/02/09
SOURCE:Flight International
Thailand gets funding for follow-on Gripen purchase
By Siva Govindasamy

Thailand's defence ministry plans to secure the budget to exercise options for a second batch of six Saab Gripen fighters in the next fiscal year, but the deal hangs in the balance due to the country's uncertain political situation.

The money will come from the Royal Thai Air Force's budget and be spread out over five years, allowing the service to take delivery of the aircraft from 2013, says defence minister Prawit Wongsuwan. The cost is likely to be around 19 billion baht ($531 million) and includes a second Saab 340 airborne early warning aircraft, training for Thai pilots and spare parts.

This is similar to a deal for six Gripens and one Saab 340 AEW system that Thailand ordered last year and is scheduled for delivery from 2011. If Bangkok exercises all its options, the air force will have a full Gripen squadron by 2015 to replace some of its Northrop F-5Es.

If the government gives the go-ahead, this will be the first defence spending decision made by Abhisit Vejjajiva's Democrat Party since it took office earlier this year. Some observers say it has little choice but to meet the military's requests, given that it came to power only after an army coup in 2006 and two governments formed by other parties after general elections in December 2007 were dissolved by the country's courts.

However, given that Thailand has had to borrow up to 270 billion baht to prop up its reeling economy and may need more help, others say the country can ill afford to spend more money on fighters.

"The top brass may feel that the government owes them a big favour for their backing, which made it possible for the government to be established in the first place, and that it is about time for it to repay the favour. But under the current circumstances, defence build-up should be secondary to the task to rescue the economy and to make sure that the country survives the economic crisis with the least bruises," Veera Prateepchaikul, a leading Thai journalist, wrote in the Bangkok Post newspaper recently.

There are also doubts about whether the Democrat Party will be able to last the next few months. Thousands of supporters of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra have been demonstrating outside the government's headquarters pressing for fresh elections, which could delay any decision on the Gripens.

Thailand's army also hopes to secure funding to buy six Mil Mi-17 utility helicopters. Earlier this year, the armed forces ordered a third Embraer ERJ-135 regional jet for VIP transport and medical evacuation missions.

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ts-funding-for-follow-on-gripen-purchase.html
 

Skyman

New Member
The June issue of AirForce Monthly publish the photo of Thai Gripen in production line on page 28. :D

An array of Gripen news along this month!

Jet purchase plan shelved by air force
Commander grumbles about govt budget cuts
By: WASSANA NANUAM
Published: 9/05/2009 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News

Budget cuts have compelled the air force to shelve its planned purchase of six more Swedish-made Gripen fighters.

As the government decided on Wednesday to slash the defence budget for the next fiscal year from 171 billion to 151 billion baht, the air force had to ditch its plan to order six more Gripen fighter jets worth 15 billion baht, commander Itthaporn Subhawong said.

The air force has already bought six Gripen jets worth 19 billion baht with the planes due for delivery next year.

The air force needs the other six Gripen jets to complete a fleet of 12 that will replace its ageing F-5 fighters scheduled to be decommissioned in 2011.

With only six Gripen jets, the air force was not confident of protecting national security, according to the air force chief, who also warned that the decision would weaken national defence where competitive weaponry is vital.

"This affects the potential of the armed forces because they need modern weaponry. If we must defend the nation with weapons that cannot match [our enemies'] or are outdated, nobody will have respect for us," ACM Itthaporn said.


He said that the six other Gripen jets were necessary for national defence.

"We must explain what is essential and need a review from the government. Weapons result in national security. Without strong defences, neighbours will not have respect for us.

"We, all soldiers, are ready to sacrifice our lives for the nation but in any fight we must have competitive weaponry. The life of every soldier is valuable. If a conflict erupts and we have weapons that do not compare, soldiers will be killed," he said.


The Swedish fighters will be stationed at the air force base in Surat Thani to protect the Gulf of Thailand, the Andaman Sea and all areas in the southern region of the country.

The air force plans to use them as its main fighters instead of the F-16 jets used now.

The Defence Ministry was one of the agencies hit hardest by the budget cuts, implemented because government revenues have fallen short of target and the need to raise money to pay for economic stimulus schemes.

A ministry source said there was a question whether relations between the Democrat Party-led coalition and the armed forces would sour because the armed forces had supported the government but received budgetary reductions in return.

Bangkok Post : Jet purchase plan shelved by air force

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Defence is in need of Gripen fighters
By Panya Thiewsangwan
Published on May 30, 2009

"As and when the economy improves and the country is in a position to earmark the budget for security-related procurement, the fighter jets will be bought and deployed," he said.

Prawit said he expected the Cabinet to approve the procurement plan in principle, pending the state of the economy, at its meeting next Tuesday

Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan yesterday said his ministry would push for the Bt15.4-billion procurement of six Gripen fighter aircraft, although they would only be bought when the fiscal situation permitted such a costly purchase.

The procurement, if approved, will be spread over five years from the next fiscal year starting in October.

Prawit said the six Swedish jets, when added to the other Gripens already in deployment, would form a wing of 12 fighter aircraft, replacing the ageing F-5 jets that have been in service since 1966.

He said all military procurement plans had been put on hold in light of the economic downturn. However, the Air Force needs to have its budgetary plan approved in principle in order to make the necessary preparations for deployment of the aircraft.

The proposed Bt5-billion purchase of four search-and-rescue helicopters will be treated in the same way, the defence minister said.


The Air Force is eager that the public fully understands the ministry's procurement plan, said deputy spokesman Group Captain Monthon Satchukorn.

If the government deems it necessary, Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal Ithiporn Suphawong is willing to withdraw the plan in order to delay the Cabinet debate on the issue, Monthon said.

The plan has been forwarded to the Cabinet with an understanding that the budget would be approved in principle without actual disbursement of funds at this juncture, he added.

Defence is in need of Gripen fighters - Nationmultimedia.com

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A bit of politic view.

New govt rift fears as jet plan revived
Prawit pushes Gripens, coalition tension likely
By: POST REPORTERS
Published: 30/05/2009 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News

An attempt by Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwon to revive the air force's procurement of Swedish-made Gripen jet fighters despite military budget cuts is likely to raise tensions between the Democrat Party and its key coalition partner, Bhumjaithai.

The move opens the way for a fresh conflict between the Democrats and its influential coalition partner following differences over the 4,000-bus lease project, the auction of the government's mortgaged crops, and the public land rental scheme.

Gen Prawit, who has close affiliations with Bhumjaithai, said yesterday he would ask the cabinet next week to approve in principle the 5.4-billion-baht project to buy a second batch of Gripen fighters and 5 billion baht for search and rescue helicopters.

"I just want the cabinet to approve the procurement in principle. It is for the sake of reassurance.

"When the country has money to attend to security affairs, we will buy them. I do not think endorsing the project in principle will cause any damage," said Gen Prawit, who stressed the air force needed the Gripens to replace its F-5Es which will be decommissioned later this year. He said he would explain the need to the Budget Bureau and Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

"There is no hidden agenda," said Gen Prawit, who is tipped to join the Bhumjaithai Party soon.


His push is seen as yet another move by Bhumjaithai to test the Democrats' sincerity in honouring the coalition partnership. The Democrats have put the brakes on the Commerce Ministry's planned sales of mortgaged crops and the Transport Ministry's 67.9-billion-baht bus lease plan. Both ministries are under Bhumjaithai's supervision.

Bhumjaithai heavyweights appear to be opposed to the Democrat Party's proposal to allow farmers to rent public land at 10 baht per rai for farming.

The scheme, the brainchild of Deputy Interior Minister Thaworn Senneam who oversees the Land Department, apparently lacks support from Interior Minister Chavarat Charnvirakul, the Bhumjaithai leader, and Saksayam Chidchob, his chief adviser and a core member of Bhumjaithai.

Deputy Interior Minister Boonjong Wongtrairat, another Bhumjaithai key figure, denied Mr Chavarat was opposed to the scheme. The minister was merely concerned that it could be exploited by the rich.

"Mr Chavarat wants the scheme to be examined thoroughly. He fears state property will be abused," he said.

Mr Saksayam said the party was not using the land leasing plan to gain Democrat support for the mortgaged crop sale and bus rental projects.

"The land rental project has just been raised for discussion. An inspection is under way to separate state land from private property."

Mr Chavarat said the land leasing scheme was a sound project and Mr Thaworn could submit it to him for further submission to the cabinet.

Democrat spokesman Buranat Samutarak dismissed any rift over the land leasing scheme, saying the Bhumjaithai Party had raised concerns but did not oppose the project.

Meanwhile, the air force said it was uncomfortable with the defence minister's push to revive the Gripen purchase plan, as it feared the public might misunderstand. Air force spokesman Grp Capt Monthon Satchukorn said air force chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong would ask Gen Prawit to review the project and withdraw it from the cabinet meeting's agenda.

Bangkok Post : New govt rift fears as jet plan revived
 

OPSSG

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^^ Skyman, I'm of the view the Thai politicians and the air force should have compromised and allowed the air force to buy 2 more Gripens to form a 1/2 squadron of eight while waiting for the economic conditions to improve. Stopping at 6 until economic conditions improve is detrimental for the Thai air force's ability to manage human resources issues at a squadron level and to eventually stand-up a Gripen squadron, plus 6 aircraft severely limits the Thai air force's ability to test new operational concepts with this new aircraft platform.
 
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Skyman

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^^ Skyman, I'm of the view the Thai politicians and the air force should have compromised and allowed the air force to buy 2 more Gripens to form a 1/2 squadron of eight while waiting for the economic conditions to improve. Stopping at 6 until economic conditions improve is detrimental for the Thai air force's ability to manage human resources issue at a squadron level and to eventually stand-up a Gripen squadron, plus 6 aircraft severely limits the Thai air force's ability to test new operational concepts with this new aircraft platform.
:) Another 6 is definitely but In fact, it's only a delay at worse. (The Thai-language news never said they gonna cancel it. They said it would be a delay) and the delay might be only one or two year. RTAF schedule to commit for the second batch in 2010. If they had to delay it could be in 2011 or around that. As you also mention six jets is almost useless. It's also more like a aerobatic sqn. to me. :eek:nfloorl:

But overall they might stop here at 12 aircrafts. If the budget allow in the future the third batch will be possible. :rolleyes:
 

IPA35

New Member
I think the Gripen is a very wise choice, but I cannot understand why they do not wait for the NG.
Or maybe they can be upgraded??

Anyway, I would like my own country to accept SAAB's offer of 85 NG's and add 3 EMB145 Erieye's to the deal.
 

Grand Danois

Entertainer
Price of the NG could be an issue? The NG is almost twice as expensive as the C/D...

(The Swedish govt backed SAAB offer of 48 NG for Norway was 20 billion NOK - that's 55-65 million $ fly-away, depending on fluctuation in exchange rate.)

With the current crop of Gripens the Thais have the options of adding upgrades for their existing fleet as needed.
 

Vivendi

Well-Known Member
Price of the NG could be an issue? The NG is almost twice as expensive as the C/D...

(The Swedish govt backed SAAB offer of 48 NG for Norway was 20 billion NOK - that's 55-65 million $ fly-away, depending on fluctuation in exchange rate.)

With the current crop of Gripens the Thais have the options of adding upgrades for their existing fleet as needed.
The price offered to Norway was not fly-away but a package containing spare parts, simulator, data helmets, limited support, etc.

Palestra e entrevista de Bob Kemp

Google translated:

Surprisingly he said that the future Gripen NG will cost even less to the generation of aircraft C / D, by making greater use of COTS electronic technologies (technologies used civilians for military use - Conventional Off The Shelf) and, especially, by using the engine GE F-414 American standard, Gripen different from before, he used an improved version of Volvo Aero Turbine GE F-404. Using the new engine will reduce by 20% the cost of the engine.
"It is not easy to determine accurately the cost of fighter aircraft programs, such as complex FX-2. Simply, there are other variables, and simply a choice of after-sales support is determined, up to double if the unit value of the contracts. If we look at the figures published by the Department of Defense, the U.S. fighters to cost between 45 and 70 million dollars, but this is just the "fly away cost", which ignores important costs such as training, logistics and after sales support. OA/F-18F, for example, should cost about $ 53 million from the data in the DoD, but in Australia, paid 2.36 billion U.S. dollars to buy 24 units, or, ie more than 98 million dollars for each plane. What we can guarantee is that the Gripen costs 20% less than a F-16 of similar capacity. Our proposal for 48 Gripen NG for Denmark out of 20 billion Danish kroner (U.S. $ 3.39 Bi), including training , spare parts and logistics, but not included in the arms package.
Norway was not happy with the package offered by Sweden and added more equipment; this changed the cost from 20 billion NOK to 24 billion NOK, which is approx. 79 million USD pr. plane. This seems to be the same unit cost as in the Dutch offer, which makes me wonder if the equipment Norway insisted on adding has been put in to the Dutch offer by Saab:

http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/Saab_OfferGripenNG_170409.pdf

AFAIK the fly-away cost of Gripen NG will be less than 50 million USD.

V
 

AndiPandi

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Norway was not happy with the package offered by Sweden and added more equipment; this changed the cost from 20 billion NOK to 24 billion NOK, which is approx. 79 million USD pr. plane. This seems to be the same unit cost as in the Dutch offer, which makes me wonder if the equipment Norway insisted on adding has been put in to the Dutch offer by Saab:
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I doubt that since Norway failed to explain to SAAB what was missing in their offer. SAAB doesnt have a clue where those 4 billions come from...
 

Grand Danois

Entertainer
The price offered to Norway was not fly-away but a package containing spare parts, simulator, data helmets, limited support, etc.
No 20 billion NOK was fly-away, package cost was higher. It was in one of the first pages of one of several reports released at the time of type selection. 20 billion NOK fly-away. Actual, factual, fly-away cost, straight from the vendor.

Found the docs: It wasn't on the first page, but on page 40 of the first doc.

http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Temadokumenter/Fremtidig-kampflykapasitet_anbefaling_311008.pdf

and

http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Temadokumenter/Kampfly_Ekstern-kvalitetssikring_KS2_141108.pdf

I believe there is also an 11 pg. exec brief somewhere, but that one eludes me for the moment.
 
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zeven

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No 20 billion NOK was fly-away, package cost was higher. It was in one of the first pages of one of several reports released at the time of type selection. 20 billion NOK fly-away. Actual, factual, fly-away cost, straight from the vendor.

Found the docs: It wasn't on the first page, but on page 40 of the first doc.

http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Temadokumenter/Fremtidig-kampflykapasitet_anbefaling_311008.pdf

and

http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Temadokumenter/Kampfly_Ekstern-kvalitetssikring_KS2_141108.pdf

I believe there is also an 11 pg. exec brief somewhere, but that one eludes me for the moment.
Norway was offered a FIXED price, and the Swedish GOVERNMENT even went out as an insurance.

I wouldnt trust Norway and what they have written. because Norway seems to know the price better than Sweden themelves that operates the damn platform.
 

Grand Danois

Entertainer
Norway was offered a FIXED price, and the Swedish GOVERNMENT even went out as an insurance.

I wouldnt trust Norway and what they have written. because Norway seems to know the price better than Sweden themelves that operates the damn platform.
Yes, fixed at 20 billion NOK for 48 GNG flyaway.
 
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