I know at one point that we were looking at yours for trial purposes but no decisions have been made yet on what we are going to do. We most likely will give our designers a chance to see if they can improve apon it, then 5 years down the road they will make a decision even though we need it now.
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Do you mean the T-80 is more advanced than the T-90? If so, how is the T-80 more advanced?
I give my sympathy to Russia for thier lack of advanced equipment and since the T-90 is just another example of a inferior Tank my conclusion is that western tanks will be more superior and more well equiped than the Russian tanks . God willing Russia's 5th Generation MBT the Black Eagle will go into service and bring back some of the super power quialities of the Russian Ground Forces.
All the T-90 is actually would be a improved T-72S (Shilden). Because of the unfair assessment that the T-80 and T-72 recieved during the Chechen and Iraqi war the Russians were having a tough go at selling them, so they changed the name to T-90.
The T-80 used to be the premier tank for Russia and they have only in a more recent short period of time offered it to other countries, with that said after the break up of the former Soviet Union, Russia was left with the main production faciity for the T-72 located at Nizhni Tagil, they have been able to get the T-90 on par with the T-80, plus the T-90 is cheaper to build. This will be their main battle tank until they decide to mass produce their next generation vehicle.
A T-90 or T-80 may not be better than a M1A1 series tank, but Russia has closed the gap.
A T-90 is not a inferior tank, it is actually a dam good fighting vehicle, in the hands of a well trained crew they can come out on top of a gun fight.
Don`t expect the Black Eagle to be Russia`s next generation tank, it doesn`t look any thing like it.
After the break of SU Russia had 3 production facility. 1 of them produced T-80 - its Omsk plant. But T-80 lost the competion to T-90 in dirty political/bribing game. Addidtional to that Omsk plant have very little civilian production backup and couldnt maintain its shape during horrible 90x without military orders. Generally speaking new T-90/T-72 are better than old T-80. Both T-80 and T-72 are pretty close to each other - its just what in soviet time T-80 was premier tank and recived all expencive gooddies. After the breakup of SU thats changed and T-72 got on par with T-80. And btw, T-80B / T-80U are definitly on par with M1A1 (T-90A is without a doubt better than M1A1). TI on M1A1 may give advatage, but so are ATGM's and ERA on T-80.All the T-90 is actually would be a improved T-72S (Shilden). Because of the unfair assessment that the T-80 and T-72 recieved during the Chechen and Iraqi war the Russians were having a tough go at selling them, so they changed the name to T-90.
The T-80 used to be the premier tank for Russia and they have only in a more recent short period of time offered it to other countries, with that said after the break up of the former Soviet Union, Russia was left with the main production faciity for the T-72 located at Nizhni Tagil, they have been able to get the T-90 on par with the T-80, plus the T-90 is cheaper to build. This will be their main battle tank until they decide to mass produce their next generation vehicle.
A T-90 or T-80 may not be better than a M1A1 series tank, but Russia has closed the gap.
T-80U is superior to T-72... any model. I would also advocate it better than the the T-90 as well. The evolution of the T-72 was inferior defensively than that of the T-62. The T-72 and the T-90 will blow just like you pop a top.
Man - are you in for it now.:lul
Actually Big E, they really have managed to get the T-90 on par with a T-80U
Their next generation tank will be based on the T-72 hull, it`s not the Black Eagle.
The Ukrainians have put some powerful engines in theirs. Even the Pakistani Al-Khalid are using it in their T-90s. All of the T-90Ms have a cast turret which make them prone to "popping like a top". The composite layering of electrofluxed metal is 15% stronger than the T-90. Their are other defensive systems that the T-80 family of tanks have over the T-90 with better protection of vital areas. Given the choice of serving in the T-90 or T-84 I would choose the latter.
You seem to be quite knowledgable. Which tanks the Pakistanis actually have is something you can lookup yourself and then go back and edit your post.
What's the idea with a 'cast turret' being the cause of it popping off from the tank chassis? I think it has something to do with the tank being hit first, then it involves onboard ammo and the whole setup doesn't care if you got a cast or welded turret.
on the older tanks it was actually more of a turret ring design and ammo rounds box location issue, rather than the turret (itself) design per-se.
Aaaah, not again the "famous" assisted shot. :shudder
A tank full of explosives where you can see the explosion erupting right before the missile hits if you look at it in slow motion is not a prove.
T-72s never blew up like this in battle even when hitted into the ammo storage or auto loader carussel. They may threw their turret away but they don't disintegrate into paper pieces.
A tank full of explosives where you can see the explosion erupting right before the missile hits if you look at it in slow motion is not a prove.
T-72s never blew up like this in battle even when hitted into the ammo storage or auto loader carussel. They may threw their turret away but they don't disintegrate into paper pieces.
Pakistan doesn`t use the T-90.
The T-90 comes with a upgraded engine also.
Reason for Turrets popping would be because of small cramped turret sitting on top of ammunition.
Both tanks come with on par defensive counter measures.
T-84 comes with a western designed TI sight and western stabilization system, these are the only advantages that it may have over a T-90 or T-80.
You are correct on that one, a nice rigged show to get sales.Aaaah, not again the "famous" assisted shot. :shudder
A tank full of explosives where you can see the explosion erupting right before the missile hits if you look at it in slow motion is not a prove.
T-72s never blew up like this in battle even when hitted into the ammo storage or auto loader carussel. They may threw their turret away but they don't disintegrate into paper pieces.
What do you think Al-Khalid is if not a T-90 with a T-84 engine?
Try to compare T-80U to T-72BM. And T-80U vs T-90A is not even a contest.
For self education list here please armour estimates, FCS generations, main gun type, and mobility for both T-90 and T-80U.
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