Su -30 Series
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What does israel have to do with the Su-30?
The Original SU-30 MKI, which is what the SU-30 MKM is base on, have some Israeli made equipments integrated into it's system. Malaysia, as many other Muslim countries, didn't and will not having any kind of diplomatic or trade relations with Israel until the Palestine issues is resolve. So you see, SU-30 MKM is a twin to the SU-30 MKI, except for the "made in Israel" things.
Revival_786
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I wouldn't go that far 
It would be worth your while to read the following. I did post it also in DefenceIndia and Proton River after some discussions about Cope India 04 and DACT in general.srirangan said:Have you seen the reports on the latest air exercises betw the USAF and IAF
http://defencetalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1340
The exercise was a very useful event for a niumber of reasons, but you do need to appreciate the motive and training rigeur behind DACT events.
i thought India Never used its MKI with the US, that would be the dumbest act on part of the INdians, LOL I doubt they used MKI's they must of used the Original Russian Config ones. But then again MKI uses israeli EW suites and the avionic components so its would not take long for the US to Flick a switch and kill off MKI's, when we talk about F-22 or EF-2000 were talking about some of the best known jets around the world, and that no other nation appart from its partner nations would know about its electronics. the Israeli F-16i is considerably a nice Jet but i would not go as far as saying its the Best one, there are EF2000 and F-22/ JSF, and i doubt India could aquire the similar Avionic package on the Israeli F-16i, those are integral to Israel defense they would not sell the exact versions to any nation, its just not how Israelis work. they don't even let the US see what they have in there F-16[/b][/i]
Yes you thought right. India never used its MKI with the US. SU-30 MKI is one of the best ac in the world. Also we tend to forget when some people on this forum say that Oh, Americans may have found already too much from this excercise which Indians would not have wanted them to know. Infact it is another way round. It is India which has a lot to learn from US then vice-versa. There is no way US can flick a switch and kill of MKI's. Israelis are notorious for back-stabbing US and anyone will be a fool to think that they will be leaking the details of EW package to US. In your words only they do not even let US see what they have in there. They do not have anything other then F-22 to counter it and the aircraft excercises did prove it with much inferior version of SU-30. I did post the complete statistics from both sides after the excersices were held when it came to kill ratio, dog fights & BVR kill ratios, in which India won outright partially because I think we must have put in our best aces.adsH said:
ok first of all Israeli rely on the US to provide them hardware and technology. israelis don't make much stuff by them selves they rely on the US for Budgetary assistance technology assistance so i doubt they would back stab the US at any point of time. second Israelis don't let the USAF look at there INternal Avionics or EW suites these are those Avionics and EW stuff that they use for them selves, so what make you so think they would sell a 2 bit third party there top notch heavily guarded Avionics and EW suites, what ever they Export is approved by the US so i doubt the US doesn't have schematics of those equipments. Logical thinking is Key here !!
I doubt the US used any of its key AC or its topGUN Pilots, because if you ever see a USNAVY trained pilot you would certainly wet your Pants in a sec. about you guys beating an obsolete ac in a BVR fight then ofcource you would win heck your useing what ever you have, while the US is sitting back , pitting what they have to spare and analyzing the progress made by the Russian manufacturers and the INdian Airforce. who ever thinks the US can actually be beaten in a game of Air conflict under a real real war circumstances is a foolish delusional day dreamer. when the storm realy comes it comes with all of its fury and all its abilities.
I doubt the US used any of its key AC or its topGUN Pilots, because if you ever see a USNAVY trained pilot you would certainly wet your Pants in a sec. about you guys beating an obsolete ac in a BVR fight then ofcource you would win heck your useing what ever you have, while the US is sitting back , pitting what they have to spare and analyzing the progress made by the Russian manufacturers and the INdian Airforce. who ever thinks the US can actually be beaten in a game of Air conflict under a real real war circumstances is a foolish delusional day dreamer. when the storm realy comes it comes with all of its fury and all its abilities.
I never implied that a full scale war could be won fighting with US Airforce so you are going terribly wrong there. I was only talking about a limited scenario where there were equal numbers. BTW none of the two countries induced their ultimate fighters in the excercises and I do not think each one of them would have wanted to either. It was not done using whatever heck we had but using what was appropriate for that excercise, mutually decided before between two forces....I guess you know that and if not, you need to read into that once more and if you need help, i can provide you with the links from US Airforce and Indian airforce websites both.
Hell Yeah.......F-15/F-16 is obselete....??? Grow up man....Do not get so much dis-illusioned by the intro of EF that every other aircraft is suddenly a thing of the past. Perhaps you find it ancient compared to EF or other latest ac's but them you got to consider SU-30 also as an ancient one as the next plane to be able to compare to EF or JSF would be PAK-FA jointly developed by Russia-India.
You doubt if US used its best pilots, and the same goes for Indian Pilots too. Don't just take my word to suit your sayings since I said that may be India pitched in its best pilots. After studing more about Cope-India, I am sure there was nothing of that sort.
Hell Yeah.......F-15/F-16 is obselete....??? Grow up man....Do not get so much dis-illusioned by the intro of EF that every other aircraft is suddenly a thing of the past. Perhaps you find it ancient compared to EF or other latest ac's but them you got to consider SU-30 also as an ancient one as the next plane to be able to compare to EF or JSF would be PAK-FA jointly developed by Russia-India.
You doubt if US used its best pilots, and the same goes for Indian Pilots too. Don't just take my word to suit your sayings since I said that may be India pitched in its best pilots. After studing more about Cope-India, I am sure there was nothing of that sort.
mysterious
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I am wondering, doesnt this new Russian fighter jet project PAK-FA constantly remind Russia and specially India of "PAK-istan"?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/pak-fa.htm explain's the nomenclature. PAK-FA is the Russian name and it stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Future Air Complex for Tactical Forces). It's prolly got nothing to do with Pakistan. Too bad..mysterious said:I am wondering, doesnt this new Russian fighter jet project PAK-FA constantly remind Russia and specially India of "PAK-istan"?
Thanks for that, I'd always wondered what it stood for.srirangan said:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/pak-fa.htm explain's the nomenclature. PAK-FA is the Russian name and it stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Future Air Complex for Tactical Forces). It's prolly got nothing to do with Pakistan. Too bad..
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The USAF deployed 4 of it's F-15C's to the Cope Thunder exercise. The F-15C is the USAF's current frontline air defence fighter and it's hardly obsolete, but it is an old design and is nearing the end of it's service (in the USAF at least). It can hardly be expected to compete in a one on one situation with a jet that was designed (at least partially) to be superior to it in the air defence role. In saying that, real world scenario's are vastly different to exercises and no-one shows their real capabilities on an exercise in a foreign country. No-one should think that because a USAF F-15 may have been "defeated" in an exercise it will be defeated in a war. No USAF F-15 has been beaten in air combat yet...