Should the M16 be replaced?

Sgt.Banes

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anybody knows whether an ak103 can be fitted with a scope and laser aiming device.

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The AK-103 can be fitted for a tactical light, tactical laser light, virtually every scope for the AK series, and a GP-30. And the 103 models were direct variants for the AK-47 and not the AK-74, The 74 models were succeeded by the 101 models.
 

Chrom

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The AK-103 can be fitted for a tactical light, tactical laser light, virtually every scope for the AK series, and a GP-30. And the 103 models were direct variants for the AK-47 and not the AK-74, The 74 models were succeeded by the 101 models.
It is AK-74M variant. At least, so it is said by its designers. AK-101 is for 5.56, AK-103 is for 7.62 - but both are much close to AK-74M than to AK-47M.

P.S. Allthought you can look at it both ways of course. AK-103 could be called a variant of AK-47M as well.
 

extern

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Barnes as far As I know the only other rifle that they have developed that strayed away from the basic functionality of the original is the an-94 Abakan. This gun has not went into production as far as I know. I
It has... there are a lot of Russian sources say, it came to service together with Pecheneg 7,62 new machine gun, the new helmet Borit, individual radio, body armor and some additional gadgets. All this infantry complex , both its summer and winter variant is call Barmitsa ( http://www.interpolitex.ru/site.xp/053057124050049052.html http://www.npo-sm.ru/mag/1003.html )
Abakan 5,45 (first demonstration 1993) - is still partially secret weapon, it doesnt allow for export and the mechanics of its recoil mechanism - is still classified know-how.
 
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extern

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It can be fitted with pretty anything. Ak-103 is basicaly AK-74M modifired to 7.62 calibre with modern fitting slots.
The quastion is 'why?'. Chechen wars show, the new RuArmy 9mm VSK-94 combined assault rifle/night silenced sniper rifle system with its bodyarmor-piersing bullets is WAY better in urban combat then any Kalashnikov-based improvisation. It allow automatic fire as well:
http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/str/strelk/vsk94.htm
http://guns.ru/rus/parade/vsk94.html
 

Chrom

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Chrom

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Abakan 5,45 (first demonstration 1993) - is still partially secret weapon, it doesnt allow for export and the mechanics of its recoil mechanism - is still classified know-how.

Are you sure? I'm pretty certain it is both not classified and allowed for export.
P.S. WTF classified? There are large batches of Abakan in RUA, it is no problem for anyone with decent money/will to steal one.
 

extern

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Are you sure? I'm pretty certain it is both not classified and allowed for export.
P.S. WTF classified? There are large batches of Abakan in RUA, it is no problem for anyone with decent money/will to steal one.
Of course like any other secrecy it's only can make the work of the thiefs longer. Anyway, the developers fear from unlicention copies of its product, like it happen with Kalashnikov rifle. However, any copies of Kalashnicov exept the Bulgarian (which were made under USSR's licension) is much less reliable because the secrets of alloy technology is still hard to copy. I know, for ex, the Israeli unlicension copy of Kalashnikov (Galil) does corrode and the rear site is located on the cover (unlike genuine Kalashnikov). I fired from both, and must say, Galil is less precise.
It is special forces weapon and NOT general army use weapon. They have different niches.
They exactly for regular infantry (mechanized and air-dropped) in low scale conflicts (as you can see in the picture from Chechnya, the rightest) due to its low cost and comparability with regular 9mm machine gun variant (without silencer and optics). For spec forces we have something more silent, more potential but, of course, much more expensive like the late 80th 9mm VSS (Vintorez) or the most newest (2003) 12.7mm VSSK (Vykhlop). Both were never suplied for regular units.
 

extern

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So if somebody still didnt see Kalashnikov with optics and silencer, or never heard about its bullpup variant, please take the pics: :D
 

Chrom

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Of course like any other secrecy it's only can make the work of the thiefs longer. Anyway, the developers fear from unlicention copies of its product, like it happen with Kalashnikov rifle. However, any copies of Kalashnicov exept the Bulgarian (which were made under USSR's licension) is much less reliable because the secrets of alloy technology is still hard to copy. I know, for ex, the Israeli unlicension copy of Kalashnikov (Galil) does corrode and the rear site is located on the cover (unlike genuine Kalashnikov). I fired from both, and must say, Galil is less precise.
I mean, technological secrets of course exsist. But telling what mechanics of its recoil mechanism is secret - nonsence. Abakan drawning can be found in the open sources. Also i'm pretty sure there are no restriction with Abakan export - but only as ready product, NOT as license.
 

extern

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I mean, technological secrets of course exsist. But telling what mechanics of its recoil mechanism is secret - nonsence. Abakan drawning can be found in the open sources. Also i'm pretty sure there are no restriction with Abakan export - but only as ready product, NOT as license.
May be I mistook specifically about Abakan, but a number of the newest Russian infantry weapons, already entered the service, still dont allowed for export. It's easy to check: if one new weapon doesnt appear in officially catalog of the Russian only mil. export monopol Rosoboronexport http://www.roe.ru/cataloque/lanforces_cataloque.html , it's forbidden for export with great probability. For example, there arent the best Russian 12,7 sniper rifles there, VSSK 'Vykhlop' and KSVK:
 

Chrom

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May be I mistook specifically about Abakan, but a number of the newest Russian infantry weapons, already entered the service, still dont allowed for export. It's easy to check: if one new weapon doesnt appear in officially catalog of the Russian only mil. export monopol Rosoboronexport http://www.roe.ru/cataloque/lanforces_cataloque.html , it's forbidden for export with great probability. For example, there arent the best Russian 12,7 sniper rifles there, VSSK 'Vykhlop' and KSVK:
Could be true. Just remember VSSK "Vyhlop" is newest special forces weapon, Abakan - quite old general army use weapon, with nothing exceptional.
 

extern

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Could be true. Just remember VSSK "Vyhlop" is newest special forces weapon, Abakan - quite old general army use weapon, with nothing exceptional.
Anyway, not only the Russians but also the Americans gonna achieve some progress in sniper equipment for their first line forces. Interestingly, their last offer is heavily based on M-16 rifle mechanics:

Snipers in Afghanistan Receive New Weapon
US Army | Apr 24, 2007

FORWARD OPERATING BASE SALERNO, Afghanistan: Soldiers from Task Force Fury are the first in a combat zone to receive a new sniper rifle, the XM110 semi-automatic sniper system.

The new rifle has several new features, the most prominent being an improved rate of fire.

"It's semi-automatic, so it allows for rapid re-engagement of targets," said Staff Sgt. Jason R. Terry, a sniper instructor with the U.S. Army Sniper School.

Older rifles such as the M24 Sniper Weapon System are bolt-action weapons that require the user to manually feed another round into the chamber after each shot. The automatic firing capabilities of the SASS will decrease lag time in between shots, Staff Sgt. Terry said.

A metal tube that fits over the barrel of the rifle also significantly reduces the signature blast and eliminates the small cloud of dust that rises off the ground from the gases emitted through the barrel.
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Pfc. Joel D. Dulashanti, a sniper with 4th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, jots down notes as a spotter for another sniper during their training on the new XM110 Semi-automatic Sniper System held here at Forward Operating Base Salerno, Afghanistan. The SASS will be an addition to the arsenal of weapons the Soldiers of Task Force Fury have at their disposal, such as the older style M24 Sniper Weapon System, seen here in the foreground.
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This advancement will make locating snipers in the field, even after they have fired a shot, difficult for enemy forces, said Staff Sgt. Terry.

The new weapons came with three days of training, both in the classroom and on the range, by Staff Sgt. Terry and other experts.

"We learned to maintain and operate the weapon, what we can fix ourselves and what we can't," said Pfc. Joel D. Dulashanti, a sniper with the 82nd Airborne Division's Troop C, 4th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team.

Mr. Kyle P. Gleason, an equipment specialist with Tank Automotive and Armorist Command, handled the maintenance portion of the class.

"I teach them the basics," he said. "Here's your rifle, here's what it can do and here's how you take care of it."

Mr. Gleason taught Soldier how to determine the level of maintenance the weapon needs and who is capable of providing it. He also cautioned Soldiers about particularly fragile parts of the weapon, which only manufacturers can repair.

Soldiers appreciated the hands-on training, which they said helped them better understand their new equipment.

"I think it's a pretty simple gun to maintain and operate," said Spc. Aaron J. Fillmore, an infantryman with Troop C, 4-73rd Cav. "It was good to get the familiarization with the weapon."

XM110:
 

GregoryHitokiri

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AN-94 and the AEK971

advantages of the AN-94 The high rate of fire (1800 round/min) is employed in six-round bursts. These form the first two shots on fully-automatic fire, with following rounds fired at 500 rds/min. This is highly effective against body armour – the second round impacts at the same point as the first, enabling the penetration of armour that a conventional 5.45 mm weapon cannot.

Disadvantages The AN-94 costs five to six times more to produce than the AK-74. The internal mechanism of the AN-94 is extremely complex and much harder to maintain than the AK-74, so it also costs more to train soldiers to look after it effectively. Notably an uncomfortable pistol grip and a folding stock that covers the trigger, rendering the weapon unusable when folded.

Because of the Disadvantages the AN 94 has been purity much been canceled as the future of the Russian army.

Because of this the Russians are Field testing the AEK-971 for replacing both the AK 74 and the AN 94.

The AEK-971 is a Russian assault rifle being developed by the Degtyarev Design Bureau and designed by Sergey I. Koksharov, son of the famous Russian weapon designer Mikhail Kalashnikov. The test visions of the AEK-971 fire the 7.62 x 39 mm round or the 5.45 x 39 mm round, from the standard 30 round magazines of the AK-47 or AK-74 . The AEK-971 has two fire modes; semi- and full-automatic. The AEK-971 is based of the previous AK rifles in internal design and features but has the addition of a balancing mechanism. balancing mechanism has 2 opposite moving gas pistons instead of one. main gas piston drives bolt carrier (via gas rod), secondary piston drives compensating mass (via its own rod) in direction, opposite to bolt carrier. This movement greatly reduced muzzle jump. The balancing mechanism results in more controllable automatic fire. Though losing an initial contract for production against the AN-94, mainly due to being underdeveloped at the time, the Russian army has begun field trials of this weapon. The advantages of AEK-971 over the AN-94 is a lighter weight, more controllable and accurate automatic fire, cheaper, simpler construction, potentially greater reliability and fewer maintenance requirements.
Reports form Russia suggest that the 7.62 x 39 mm vision is fevered by the arm at this point and that the gun will replace the AK-74 and the AN 94.
 

extern

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Because of the Disadvantages the AN 94 has been purity much been canceled as the future of the Russian army.
The supply of AN-94 to spec-op units of DM, FSB and IM, and the units of quick respons is continuing. In particular the elite Taman division (Moscow) was allready equipped with AN-94.

Because of this the Russians are Field testing the AEK-971 for replacing both the AK 74 and the AN 94.
It's only tests. Officialy, the winner of the tender 'Abakan' for new assault rifle from 1994 follows to be AN-94.
The AEK-971 has two fire modes; semi- and full-automatic.
More exactly 3, as one can see on the picture: single shot, 3-round burst and full-automatic
The advantages of AEK-971 over the AN-94 is a lighter weight, more controllable and accurate automatic fire, cheaper, simpler construction, potentially greater reliability and fewer maintenance requirements.
More exacty, AN-94 is still more accurate fire on 2-round mode . Source: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as34-r.htm
Reports form Russia suggest that the 7.62 x 39 mm vision is fevered by the arm at this point and that the gun will replace the AK-74 and the AN 94.
Which reports? Any source?
 

Chrom

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The supply of AN-94 to spec-op units of DM, FSB and IM, and the units of quick respons is continuing. In particular the elite Taman division (Moscow) was allready equipped with AN-94.


It's only tests. Officialy, the winner of the tender 'Abakan' for new assault rifle from 1994 follows to be AN-94.

More exactly 3, as one can see on the picture: single shot, 3-round burst and full-automatic

More exacty, AN-94 is still more accurate fire on 2-round mode . Source: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as34-r.htm

Which reports? Any source?
7.62x39 is thing of the past and will never replace anything in RuA. It will remain in service for long time of course - but RuA will not buy new AR's for that. There are rising concerns about 5,45 - just as with NATO 5.56 - and weapon designers actively experimenting with 6.xx calibre - but for now it looks like distant future. Looks like AEK and AK-101 will be aquired in moderate numbers for equimpent. AN-94 will most likely remain special-forces only weapon.
 

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Looks like AEK and AK-101 will be aquired in moderate numbers for equimpent.
AK-101 - is made for NATO 5.56 round, never accepted in Russia. Besides AN-94, the 5.45 AK-74M and 7.62 AK-103 are currently supplied for Russian Army.
 

Chrom

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AK-101 - is made for NATO 5.56 round, never accepted in Russia. Besides AN-94, the 5.45 AK-74M and 7.62 AK-103 are currently supplied for Russian Army.
Ah, i always mix them. All these 101/103/105/107 - hard to remember which calibre.
 
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