Should Germany become a military superpower again?

[Beatmaster]

Regardless of who started what, i think that Germany is a sleeping superpower.
They have the recources, money, a very modern army and a population that would support a massive army.
Also the industrial power of Germany is huge compared to other EU members.
So all the needs to become a superpower are there.
Or they are willing to become a superpower?
I do not think so there is no need.
But if you have to draw a line of the extreem.....

Lets say that Germany is willing to become a superpower than within a few years they can be one. (if they take it slow i mean really slow)
And if you make them mad and give them a reason to start a war?
Then i think that you will be stunned by the fact what Germany is really capable of...
Germany is not an little low ass army, they are already massive if not the biggest in the current EU.
So if you piss them off you will sure as hell get a fight beyond your wildest dreams.

Anyway how big is the current German army?
I mean the ready to go part? 300.000/500.000? more ? less?
And how big will it become when they really need to? a million?
Because Gemrany is well trained and funded,

Let say for a second that 1.2 million soldiers can be used by Germany ( the real numbers i do not know)
add a few tanks and a few planes ( Germany has enough of these toys)
And heat up the factory's and you have a pocket size superpower knocking at your door "Gutentag":nutkick here we are....

But this is just a extreem unlikly view.....so forget it because it probably is not making any sense.

Superpower or not Germany is massive lets face it regardless of this is a good thing or not the bottom line is keep them as friends its way better for your healthnfloorl:


Maybe iam wrong maybe not but this whole superpower thing is not making sense at all there is no need for so why trying to be one?

 

[xudeen]

Heya fellows,

So, if Germany becomes a superpower again, should Japan follow suit?

On a side note, I've always wondered if WWII were fought b/w Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan, who wld win...

cheers

 

[lalitghag]

Heya fellows,

So, if Germany becomes a superpower again, should Japan follow suit?

On a side note, I've always wondered if WWII were fought b/w Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan, who wld win...

cheers

Let discuss about future. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan is past.

 

[exported_kiwi]

Feanor, # 48; didn't the Germans 1st target British civilians in London? Correct me if I'm wrong, but where I come from, 1940-41 was well before the bombings of Germany!

Off topic and sorry, but this seemed to be slightly emotive, even though an old thread.

 

[indiana46767]

Well we all know what happens when Germany starts getting weapons, they are like brain, they want to take over the world. So NO, i don't want them to be a superpower.

 

[swerve]

Feanor, # 48; didn't the Germans 1st target British civilians in London? Correct me if I'm wrong, but where I come from, 1940-41 was well before the bombings of Germany!

Off topic and sorry, but this seemed to be slightly emotive, even though an old thread.

The first RAF raids on German cities, rather than on military targets were in May 1940, before any German raids on British cities, though after German raids on cities in Poland & the Netherlands. The RAF continued bombing German cities, despite knowing that they were unlikely to cause any military damage except disturbing the sleep of factory workers, & launched a token raid (extreme range, navigation too imprecise to have any idea of where in the city the bombs were dropping) on Berlin in August 1940, when the Luftwaffe was still under orders to attack only military targets in the UK, but after a few bombs had accidentally been dropped on outer London.

The Luftwaffe began bombing British cities in September 1940, 4 months after British raids on German cities began. It was announced as in retaliation for British raids.

Note that both sides had previously bombed civilian infrastructure of direct military importance, such as ports, before they began bombing cities - but each recognised that their own civilian casualties were an unintended (though expected) by product of such bombing, not a deliberate aim.

 

[Merlöwe]

Not superpower, but at least for Germany to maintain a decent military that is able to defend Germany proper and its European neighbors without US support. Sadly, the Germans are further cutting their already meager military resources.

 

[John Sansom]

Uh oh. This may go on for a bit, eh? Well, the original bombings by Germany of cities like Warsaw and Rotterdam really had no material goals, except to create terror witin the populace and to hasten surrender.. Later on, everybody's bombing of everybody else's civilian centres was to disrupt the labour flow into the war industries. If the guy who makes the tank has significant difficulty getting to work, particularly after a sleeples night, then his productive capacity is diminished.

That was the theory...and production figures indicate it didn't work out all that well.

As for Germany becoming a super power.... Germany should be able to bear the load expected of it within the NATO partnership. That does not imply super power status.....does it?

 

[Misguided Fool]

I think while Germany certainly didn't get what it deserved at the end of World War 2 (if there was any justice in the world, Israel's capital would be Bonn / Berlin, not Jerusalem!), i think what happened to Germany at the Treaty of Versailles was very tragic.

Germany was the most powerful country in Europe, both industrially and militarily, before 1914. One could argue that it was Wilhelm II's idiocy that destroyed his country as he knew it.

We can debate history but unfortunately it is set in stone.

My point is that Germany deserves to be atleast an "equal" member of Europe's big boy's club, in that it should have international obligations like the French and British UN peacekeepers (as far as i'm aware, Germany has not sent combat forces to any country since World War Two .. please correct me if i'm wrong!).

 

[kato]

(as far as i'm aware, Germany has not sent combat forces to any country since World War Two .. please correct me if i'm wrong!).

It's 2009, not 1991. Germany has been in Somalia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, DR Kongo since then. Macedonia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, DR Kongo with dedicated combat troops, not peacekeeping.

77 soldiers dead since 1992 (14 officially through hostile fire, although only ISAF, not OEF is included)
54,672 soldiers injured* in any way since 1997 while on deployment (46,048 since the Afghanistan deployment started)
250,000 soldiers deployed totalsince 1992.
No statistics on hostiles killed.

*- official statistics of the Bundeswehr

 

[Misguided Fool]

It's 2009, not 1991. Germany has been in Somalia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, DR Kongo since then. Macedonia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, DR Kongo with dedicated combat troops, not peacekeeping.

77 soldiers dead since 1992 (14 officially through hostile fire, although only ISAF, not OEF is included)
54,672 soldiers injured* in any way since 1997 while on deployment (46,048 since the Afghanistan deployment started)
250,000 soldiers deployed totalsince 1992.
No statistics on hostiles killed.

*- official statistics of the Bundeswehr

Alright, thankyou for correcting me!

I knew when i heard that it sounded fishy :.

 

[Waylander]

I think while Germany certainly didn't get what it deserved at the end of World War 2 (if there was any justice in the world, Israel's capital would be Bonn / Berlin, not Jerusalem!), i think what happened to Germany at the Treaty of Versailles was very tragic.

Germany was the most powerful country in Europe, both industrially and militarily, before 1914. One could argue that it was Wilhelm II's idiocy that destroyed his country as he knew it.

We can debate history but unfortunately it is set in stone.

My point is that Germany deserves to be atleast an "equal" member of Europe's big boy's club, in that it should have international obligations like the French and British UN peacekeepers (as far as i'm aware, Germany has not sent combat forces to any country since World War Two .. please correct me if i'm wrong!).

So you think that the German population should have been exterminated to make place for a Israel like state after they surrendered in WWII?
Interesting opinion...

 

[kato]

Well, there used to be people in South Germany proposing to give up Schleswig-Holstein for a Jewish state in Germany

 

[Waylander]

Defenitely an easier neighbourhood than the ME.
Denmark is just not as interesting as a neighbour like Syria...

 

[Firn]

Wasn't there talk in the USA that there were 25 million Germans too much to transform Germany into an pastoral state? That 12-15 millions "came" from the east did not help much. Anyway Israel is also a beautiful place and gets much more sun, sadly also more heat.

Personally I think that a overall greater integration of the European forces, best if under the EU would make most sense. The unified political command is of course the biggest problem.

 

[swerve]

Well, there used to be people in South Germany proposing to give up Schleswig-Holstein for a Jewish state in Germany

Ost Preussen was nearer to The Pale.

 

[Onkel]

Well we all know what happens when Germany starts getting weapons, they are like brain, they want to take over the world. So NO, i don't want them to be a superpower.

Well, you seem to have a simple view of the world. Let me guess about your further opinion: All muslims are part of the forces of evil, states that don´t follow the USA into a war are weasels, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, torture is the right choice to defend freedom? You´re from Texas? So your prename has to be George Walker! Right?

 

[Yeti]

Well, you seem to have a simple view of the world. Let me guess about your further opinion: All muslims are part of the forces of evil, states that don´t follow the USA into a war are weasels, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, torture is the right choice to defend freedom? You´re from Texas? So your prename has to be George Walker! Right?

Well said...

In answer to the original question, why would they want to be a world superpower? is being a super power based solely on your military strength? or does your economic prowess come into it?

I suspect Germany has no wish to increase it's per capita defence spend to super power levels in order to influence the foreign policy of other countries. So the original question is somewhat irrelevant.

 

[indiana46767]

Well, you seem to have a simple view of the world. Let me guess about your further opinion: All muslims are part of the forces of evil, states that don´t follow the USA into a war are weasels, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, torture is the right choice to defend freedom? You´re from Texas? So your prename has to be George Walker! Right?

Goes to show what little you know, a bit stereotypical. I guess im am so Naive as to think that a nation like Germany should have another chance to obliderate an entire people.
As far as my belief in Muslims? I think they are great people, hard working and very family oriented, i work with them everyday. The radicals are the muslims that give them a bad name.
As far as the US thinking that those that don't follow are weasels? I think not, a country has the right to do as they wish, let their president decide what to do with their armies. I think that George Bush is an idiot, and there really were no WMD's, i can assure you that the majority of Americans can agree with me.
I am a Texan i love my guns and my right to use them to protect my domain.I do not support Bush by any means and i am of Mexican disent. Any more questions? :duel

 

[indiana46767]

Well said...

In answer to the original question, why would they want to be a world superpower? is being a super power based solely on your military strength? or does your economic prowess come into it?

I suspect Germany has no wish to increase it's per capita defence spend to super power levels in order to influence the foreign policy of other countries. So the original question is somewhat irrelevant.

Didn't they have a military embargo in place before hitler, and they broke it to build their massive ships that they took to Poland and began Hitler's Campaign?If i am mistaken, then tell me how many WW's the Germans were part of? Let have them become superpowers to see them start a new WW.