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Firehorse

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Salty Dog said:
You can not measure accurate steaming distances from a World Map. Transit distances for sea voyages are taken from Nautical Charts.
A transit across the Atlantic Ocean is different than a coastal transit where a ship can typically remain half a day steaming from land/anchorage.
I do not understand how you can state they are confident for a trouble free transit if they are bringing a tug.
The crew should not have any problem in the tropic environment if their ships are properly air conditioned, however, electronics (radars, combat systems, communications, etc) require adequate cooling or they get fried.
Sea water injection temperature in the tropics is warmer and will cause less efficiency in the propulsion and auxiliaries steam condensers as well as air conditioning.
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I agree, crossing the ocean is different, but once out of the Baltic it's mostly NATO-controlled shores, all the way to Kola bases. http://www.infoplease.com/images/mnorway.gif

That's why they built Whitesea-Balt canal - and used barges to move subs through it, as it's too shallow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea-Baltic_Canal

It was mentioned here that the USN also has tugs prepositioned just in case- does it mean their lack of confidence or just common sense?
I remember that the export Kilo SSKs had to be modified for warm/hot conditions- we will soon find out how Kirov class performs (in peace time) in the tropics! There were also Russian lang. reports that some Pac.Feet units will also go to Venezuela, along with SSN/SSBNs.
 
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Firehorse

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Severodvinsk class

Severodvinsk is the first Russian submarine of the true multipurpose type, combining the ability to launch a variety of long-range nuclear missiles (up to 3,100 miles) and effectively engage hostile submarines and surface warships.
http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=5681
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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2762647&postcount=3

This makes sense- a semi-strategic sub that can actually hit the enemy at sea and ashore! I guess they'll eventually be the backbone of the Russian submarine force, with few old/new SSBNs and SSGNs.
 
Feanor

Feanor

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Interesting. So the submarine program is more or less on track, if we are to believe that article. Does anyone know what kind of nuclear missiles the Severodvinsk is supposed to launch?
 
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Firehorse

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I think this class is SSGN type, so we are talking about SLCMs- modern SLBMs are longer range than 3,100 miles.
Speaking of missiles, I have some concern about the Bulava missile- have they fixed its problems yet?
 
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Viktor

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Also modernization of entire Oscar-2 fleet has started ... with OMSK being repared, modernized, tested and deployed at Kamchatka ... Ikutsk is next at Zvezdocka shipyard ...




Russia successfully test launches Bulava missile from submarine



MOSCOW, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Navy on Thursday successfully tested a Bulava sea-launched ballistic missile, which hit targets on testing grounds in Kamchatka in Russia's Far East, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry said.

The Bulava, designed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology, is carried by Borey-class Project 955 nuclear-powered submarines.

Fourth-generation Borey-class nuclear-powered submarines armed with Bulava missiles will form the core of Russia's fleet of modern strategic submarines.

The first submarine in the series, the Yury Dolgoruky, was built at the Sevmash plant in the northern Arkhangelsk Region and will soon join the Russian Navy. It will be equipped with 16 Bulava (SS-NX-30) ballistic missiles, each carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads and having a range of 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles).

Two other Borey-class nuclear submarines, the Alexander Nevsky and the Vladimir Monomakh, are currently under construction at the Sevmash plant.
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Testing of R-29RM from Delta-4 sub will be conducted in a couple of days testing depressed trajectory ..
 
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Firehorse

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Russia must set borders in oil-rich Arctic: Medvedev
Patrushev added that Russia should control the Northern Sea Route, a passage that stretches from Asia to Europe across northern Russia that is expected to become safer and less ice-bound with global warming.
"The Northern Sea Route is very important.... We should control all of it, while understanding that international shipping will use it and they should feel at ease," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008091...c&printer=1;_ylt=Atve599kdAKom6Bm0z82E0iROrgF
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sevmorput'.jpg

Undoubtedly this will have big implications on Russia's naval developments.

Regarding their naval buildup, I wonder if more Delta IIIs will be returned from reserve to active duty?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_...II.22_.28Project_667BDR.2C_Kalmar.29_14_boats

According to the site, 7 are now in reserve, and 4 were reactivated so far.
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=1720&catid=243&type=ssbn

Meanwhile, Delta-IV (no numbers given) will coduct BM launches to ranges in Kamchatka from Bering and Okhotsk Seas.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ-ba_y8BWA"]YouTube - Project 667 - Delta 4 - Russian Submarine part 1[/ame]
 
Feanor

Feanor

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Yep, the Bulava has launched successfully from the Dmitriky Donskoy. Most likely once the Dolgorukiy undergoes some extensive sea trials, it will also be armed with Bulava and tested later this year.

There is some confusion though. Lenta.ru reported that it was the Dolgorukiy that made the launch, while russianforces.org claimed it was the Dmitriy Donskoy. The latter is more likely as the Dmitriy Donskoy is the current testbed for the Bulava.

http://lenta.ru/news/2008/09/19/bulava/

http://russianforces.org/blog/2008/09/successful_bulava_launch.shtml#comment-0
 
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Firehorse

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Now it's official:
"A new-generation Bulava ballistic missile was successfully fired from the White Sea to the Kura testing site in Kamchatka" in Russia's far east, the Russian navy said in a statement.
The Bulava, which the statement said was fired by the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear submarine off the northwest coast of Russia, can be equipped with up to 10 individually targeted nuclear warheads.
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/pub...st-fires_new-generation_strategic_missile.php
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Actually, the Delta SSBNs were the first multi-functional submarines- the torpedoes they carried were SUBROC type.
I wonder if the Oscars will be given some LACMs?
 
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kato

The Bunker Group
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Laid down in '88, as it says in the link. First unit was commissioned in '93.

To some extent a contemporary counterpart to the European M-Class/F123/Type 23 frigates, a multi-role ASW frigate with only limited AAW.
 
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Salty Dog

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So far so good, the PtG task group will be making portvisits in the Mediterranean. First on the list is Tripoli.

Russian warships plan Mediterranean show of strength en route to Venezuela

MOSCOW — Moscow says four warships carrying out the Russian navy's first deployment to the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War will make a side trip to the Mediterranean.

The nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great and three accompanying ships are expected to sail through the Strait of Gibraltar into the Mediterranean on Sunday.

Naval spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo says the ships will call at the Libyan port of Tripoli and also visit several other unspecified Mediterranean ports before heading to Venezuela.

Russian news reports have said the squadron is expected to visit the Syrian port of Tartus, which hosted Soviet ships during the Cold War and now is being renovated for a permanent Russian naval presence in the Mediterranean.
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Russian warships to visit Libya on way to Caribbean

Libya: A Russian Port Call and the West
 
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nevidimka

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Salty Dog said:
So far so good, the PtG task group will be making portvisits in the Mediterranean. First on the list is Tripoli.



Russian warships to visit Libya on way to Caribbean

Libya: A Russian Port Call and the West
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So they are heading all the way inside to Tartus b4 going to venezuela? Thats alot more miles than a straight trip to the Carribean.


And regarding the Bulava SLBM, the latest test has been a sucess. And regarding to this report, its now clear why the problems they have been facing. Its not due to brain drain being a cause for their problems of making a new SLBM. The company never built SLBM's b4 for the Soviet Navy!.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Latest_Bulava_Tests_Part_One_999.html
 
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Bearcat

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Does anyone know if there are any pics out there of the russian SAG currently in the med? Remember when Adm Kuznetsov was there last year, there were several pictures of it.
 
StevoJH

StevoJH

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If they are going through the Mediterranean on their way to Venezuela does that mean they will go through Suez and across the Pacific? or are they just taking a few detours on the way?
 
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kato

The Bunker Group
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... why would they go through Suez enroute to Venezuela? Cross the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, at least half as long and you save costs for both Suez and Panama.

Lybia is less than a 200-nm detour on any route from the eastern Mediterranean to the West.
 
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