Main propulsion on a Kirov is steam turbine. It also has turbogenerators and GT generators. Perhaps it may have a diesel generator, but that would be good only for emergency lighting.
No steam, no shaft, . . . it gets towed.
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No steam, no shaft, . . . it gets towed.
So the Kutznetsov is heading for the Mediterranean, and the Kirov is heading to Venezuela. So that leaves the recently back in service Nakhimov to lead the North fleet then.
See how having more capable ships in the navy makes Russia more flexible. LOL.
And on the Kirov, I believe once repairs and upgrades are done, hey shouldnt have problems with travelling anywhere they want? Why this perception that they will face trouble with their reactors?
See how having more capable ships in the navy makes Russia more flexible. LOL.
And on the Kirov, I believe once repairs and upgrades are done, hey shouldnt have problems with travelling anywhere they want? Why this perception that they will face trouble with their reactors?
Even if there would be a problem with the reactors. The BCGNs have a secondary steam generating plant of fuel oil boilers. Enough to continue the transit and operations.
AFAIK, even in their heydey, the Kirov class BCGNs never made any trans-Altantic nor trans-Pacific cruises. I am by no means dooming the PTG for failure, just a bit skeptical that it will happen trouble free. In fact it would be great for the PTG group to make the entire cruise trouble free. This will bring a tremendous boost to confidence and morale in the Russian Navy.
Indeed. I wonder if these joint exercises are meant to help the Venezuelans make up their mind on the Il-76/78 deal, and the proposed submarine and fighter jet deals. The issue of course is that the Venezuelans want the Amur class, but Russia wants to sell them the iirc Kilo class.
IMHO Venezuela will buy any Russian military hardware (or Chinese for that matter) regardless if a military exercise is held or not. The purchases are mainly driven by the President Hugo Chavez's personality more than anything else.
This is going off topic and perhaps should be in a Venezuela discussion thread.
Looks like of the (3) escorts, one may be a "fleet tugboat" and a second (IMHO) would be a refueling tanker. That leaves just one more slot for a warship.
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Grand Danois
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The second warship would be Admiral Chabanenko, an Udaloy II destroyer.
WRT the fleet tug. The USN uses such as well. They're just already stationed in theatre, so it makes sense for the Russians to bring one along. But still, last time PtG went to sea...
Already posted that in the Kirov thread.
But I love the fact they are bringing a fleet tug, I guess they have no faith in their ships and their material condition.
Does anyone? After all it's a trans-Atlantic voyage and the first one in a long long time. I'm surprised and impressed it's happening at all. Not to mention that the Kuznetsov is going on another Mediterranean cruise.Already posted that in the Kirov thread.
But I love the fact they are bringing a fleet tug, I guess they have no faith in their ships and their material condition.
I haven't seen this post before starting a new tread on Tu-160- http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8200
These planes may have dedicated naval variants later, like the TU-95/142 Bears.
Salty Dog, what's the difference between diesel aux. plant used for propulsion and fuel oil boilers (that what I meant in my last post)?
These planes may have dedicated naval variants later, like the TU-95/142 Bears.
Salty Dog, what's the difference between diesel aux. plant used for propulsion and fuel oil boilers (that what I meant in my last post)?
StevoJH
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Well, the fuel oil burning heats up the boilers producing steam which turns the turbines. The turbines would then be attached to the propeller shaft via a reduction gear.
The Diesel engines though, are auxiliary engines, they turn a generator coil to produce electricity, they don't go anywhere near the shafts.
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The Russian were planning to develop an ASW version of the Tupolev Tu-204 airliner to replace its aging Beriev Be-12 `Mail' and Ilyushin Il-38 `May' aircraft. But, it looks like the A-42 will be Russia's longe range ASW platform of the future.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080905/116569962.html
This morning I measured on my World Map the sailing distance from Leningrad (now St. Petersburg, were Kirovs were built) around Scandinavia to Murmansk, were they are based/repaired- it's about the same as from the North Sea to Newfoundland, or from Gibraltar to Cape Hatteras, NC, across the Atlantic. Evidently they are confident that this will be trouble free transit. My bigger concern is high temperature in the tropics and the toll it may exact on the ship and her crew. I don't know if the design was only for temperate/cold zones.
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I was reading an unrelated news on unidentified sub spotted on Japanese waters n i found this interesting bit.
Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, foreign submarines and other underwater vehicles are "required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag" in territorial waters during peacetime.
Really?? does that mean all US submarines lurking in Russian waters are riding on the surface with their flags up for everyone to see?? I find that hard to believe.
link : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080914/ap_on_re_as/japan_submarine;_ylt=AuNmThH2JlfURayB0fm_0Y5bbBAF
Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, foreign submarines and other underwater vehicles are "required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag" in territorial waters during peacetime.
Really?? does that mean all US submarines lurking in Russian waters are riding on the surface with their flags up for everyone to see?? I find that hard to believe.
link : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080914/ap_on_re_as/japan_submarine;_ylt=AuNmThH2JlfURayB0fm_0Y5bbBAF
Not really. Look at it this way, you're not in trouble until you get caught.
You can not measure accurate steaming distances from a World Map. Transit distances for sea voyages are taken from Nautical Charts.
A transit across the Atlantic Ocean is different than a coastal transit where a ship can typically remain half a day steaming from land/anchorage.
I do not understand how you can state they are confident for a trouble free transit if they are bringing a tug.
The crew should not have any problem in the tropic environment if their ships are properly air conditioned, however, electronics (radars, combat systems, communications, etc) require adequate cooling or they get fried.
Sea water injection temperature in the tropics is warmer and will cause less efficiency in the propulsion and auxiliaries steam condensers as well as air conditioning.
remember the Navy's repair ship broke down on the Med cruise its as likely now as it was then
StevoJH
The Bunker Group
Yup, the Russian, Chinese or North Koreans (i'm guessing, North Koreans are probably unlikely since i doubt they have modern subs) were just unlucky that someone spotted the periscope. Wonder who it turns out to have been, if we ever find out i guess.