Russian Air Force News & Discussion

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Why can't they be consolidated? I suspect it'll have to happen at some point to achieve some sort of efficiency - if you look at the massive upheavals in the UK aircraft industry, leading to aircraft from one manufacturer being reworked in what used to be another manufacturer's plant - it has to happen.

I'll be interested in seeing if China does buy 35's but I'd also be surprised as all hell..
Russia wants a significant Su-35 order from China, not a 2-4 jet fleet jet that will be used for reverse engineering a J-35 Chinese version. As for plant consolidation, it will have to happen, especially with falling energy prices. The Russian government will be cash starved because of this and Putin's adventures in the Ukraine.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Why can't they be consolidated? I suspect it'll have to happen at some point to achieve some sort of efficiency - if you look at the massive upheavals in the UK aircraft industry, leading to aircraft from one manufacturer being reworked in what used to be another manufacturer's plant - it has to happen.

I'll be interested in seeing if China does buy 35's but I'd also be surprised as all hell..
Don't be surprised. The contract has been in the works for a long time. It's 24 jets, and the latest news is that they plan a signing in November.

As for plant consolidation, it will have to happen, especially with falling energy prices. The Russian government will be cash starved because of this and Putin's adventures in the Ukraine.
No it won't. It's far more likely they will do what the did in the 90s. Cut orders from all plants equally, and put the more ambitious programs on life support (like the MiG-41 hypersonic interceptor, or the PAK-DA).

Meanwhile the Yak-152 is almost ready.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1027925.html
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
Didn't the Russians have problems with the Chinese copying the SU-27 without paying the licence fee's?

If so, why would they agree to such a small purchase given the possibility of IP theft by the Chinese?
 

Haavarla

Active Member
KnAAZ got their money for licence J-11 eventually. The problem was that China dropped out of a large Su-27SK contract, cause they deemed it a inferior jet. Then the Su-30MK2/MKK and domestic J-11 deal happend.

Sukhoi was in bad shape at this time, and all the export to China was a life line
 
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barney41

Member
Didn't the Russians have problems with the Chinese copying the SU-27 without paying the licence fee's?

If so, why would they agree to such a small purchase given the possibility of IP theft by the Chinese?
I think the dynamics have changed quite a bit in thhe past year or so and the Chinese have Russia over a barrel in any negotiations. The jury is still out on the Su-35 deal though I think conditions now make it more likely. Maybe they should make hay while the sun shines and sell what tech they still can before the Chinese completely surpass them.
 
We flew to Quincy, Il yesterday and had a chance to examine 2 of the possible four Mig-29s under civilian registration in the US. There is a least one other at Quincy that is airworthy, but it is kept in hangar, and not flown much if at all these days. It is rather sad to see these beautiful aircraft deteriorating from the elements. We were on a rather tight schedule and I was only able to snap a few cell phone pics, but it is rather cool to be able to put your hands on what was at one time one of the premier fighter aircraft in the world. I would love to see one of the Mig-29Ks up close, as they look very slick.
 

Feanor

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Staff member
We flew to Quincy, Il yesterday and had a chance to examine 2 of the possible four Mig-29s under civilian registration in the US. There is a least one other at Quincy that is airworthy, but it is kept in hangar, and not flown much if at all these days. It is rather sad to see these beautiful aircraft deteriorating from the elements. We were on a rather tight schedule and I was only able to snap a few cell phone pics, but it is rather cool to be able to put your hands on what was at one time one of the premier fighter aircraft in the world. I would love to see one of the Mig-29Ks up close, as they look very slick.
Well give it a few years. Line units have open doors days, when they put their equipment on display, and let people come and see it up close. Once the MiG-29K is inducted in numbers, it's only a matter of time before it makes it into one of those displays. Of course you'd have to keep your finger on the pulse of AVMF news, celebrations, demos, etc.
 

Feanor

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Staff member
There have been news on the Russian web, that the new engine for the PAK-DA has begun trials on a stand. However the details reveal that the engine in question is a Soviet-era museum piece (literally, it was taken from an air and space museum of the Aerospace institute) called the NK-56 (D-4) where it's been for the last 30 years. They had to invite some retired personnel to get the engine running again.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - Ðазад в прошлое
 

barney41

Member
There have been news on the Russian web, that the new engine for the PAK-DA has begun trials on a stand. However the details reveal that the engine in question is a Soviet-era museum piece (literally, it was taken from an air and space museum of the Aerospace institute) called the NK-56 (D-4) where it's been for the last 30 years. They had to invite some retired personnel to get the engine running again.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - Ðазад в прошлое[ s2 h/QUOTE]

That seems to reference this article but which makes no mention of trials.
The image may be that of the old engine design but seems to imply a new engine for PAK DA. Nothing provided to support a comparison to the F135.
Russia tests engine for new bomber - 11/7/2014 - Flight Global

In June, state-owned media in Russia quoted Kuznetsov officials who announced the company had won a competition to develop the new engine for the PAK DA bomber...
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Some minor updates, the second Tu-214R has been rolled out, and supposedly OKR Fraktsiya (also known as Izdeliye 411) is complete. We will see if a follow-on order occurs, as the VVS desperately needs assets of this kind.

bmpd -

Also the second Il-476 has completed flight testing.

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Also a new guided missile for the PAK-FA is in testing. The Kh-58UShK is intended as a next-generation anti-radar missile. It's twice as short as it's predecessor, allowing it to be carried internally. I have to wonder if it will be usable from various Super Flanker variants, since the PAK-FA will be available in very small numbers.

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Kasatka

Member
Also a new guided missile for the PAK-FA is in testing. The Kh-58UShK is intended as a next-generation anti-radar missile. It's twice as short as it's predecessor, allowing it to be carried internally. I have to wonder if it will be usable from various Super Flanker variants, since the PAK-FA will be available in very small numbers.
Do you have any clue as if this missile uses its rocket motor for the terminal phase or the initial boost? Thanks in advance.
 

StobieWan

Super Moderator
Staff member
There have been news on the Russian web, that the new engine for the PAK-DA has begun trials on a stand. However the details reveal that the engine in question is a Soviet-era museum piece (literally, it was taken from an air and space museum of the Aerospace institute) called the NK-56 (D-4) where it's been for the last 30 years. They had to invite some retired personnel to get the engine running again.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - Ðазад в прошлое
Really? :faints:

Seriously? Comrade, help me with this damned glass case...thank you ..take those labels off and get it on the cart..

Cutting edge eh?
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Really? :faints:

Seriously? Comrade, help me with this damned glass case...thank you ..take those labels off and get it on the cart..

Cutting edge eh?
Well what do you want? Nobody has done real work on a jet bomber engine since the USSR fell apart. Why would they? There's no money, and no project for it. The PAK-DA is literally a program that just started. They have to start somewhere. And we already know the PAK-DA won't be cutting edge. It'll be a Russian B-2. A subsonic VLO design was announced. The reason I posted it here, is to illustrate the situation.

Do you have any clue as if this missile uses its rocket motor for the terminal phase or the initial boost? Thanks in advance.
No idea. I strongly suspect that this won't be open source info at this point in time, though I may be wrong. Even the index of the missile suggests secrecy or deception. Clearly it's not a Kh-58 variant, it's a whole new missile. Yet it shares the name, giving a reader the impression that Russia is still tinkering with the same old Soviet missile.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Hi Feanor do you have any idea what this IL96M-400 is being used for, it's registration number is RA-96104. As it's got a number of additional antennas installed could this be a new VIP aircraft for Rossiya

www.airliners.net/uf/188667/middle/1416841542PKKgZB.jpg
I don't, for a fact, know much about the Il-96s in general. However their biggest operator is SLO Rossiya, which is a government airline for highranking officials. The Il-96 in particular has been used by them as a VIP transport for the president, with a ton of special command and control gear packed into it. I'm not sure if it replaces the Il-86VKP/Il-80 or not, but it certainly carries some high-level comms.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
There have been news on the Russian web, that the new engine for the PAK-DA has begun trials on a stand. However the details reveal that the engine in question is a Soviet-era museum piece (literally, it was taken from an air and space museum of the Aerospace institute) called the NK-56 (D-4) where it's been for the last 30 years. They had to invite some retired personnel to get the engine running again.

ЧаÑтный руÑÑкий журнал - Ðазад в прошлое
Hopefully nobody in the CDN govt sees this. Someone might pull Avro's Iroquois engine out of a museum.
 

Haavarla

Active Member
It just keep getting moar..
Another deal for 50 Mig-31 to be upgraded to BM standard. Or it might be a new upgrade package alltogether, like new with software, weapons, sensors etc.

Минобороны заключило контракт на модернизацию 50 Ñамолетов МиГ-31 за 30 млрд рублей - AEX.RU

This is on top of those 66 units allready upgraded.
This will effectivly mean the Foxhound will be operating up to 2025.

Quite the opposite of what has been stated on this forum earlier..
 

Kasatka

Member
Russia just stationed some Flankers in Crimea. TASS agency reports that 4 Su-30M2 and 10 Su-27SM were recently flown from Krasnodar to Belbek.

en.tass.ru/russia/763755
 
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