Russia-Georgia Conflict: News From the War zone

[LogisticsGuy]

US destroyer watching hijacked ship off Somalia (AP)

AP - A U.S. destroyer off the coast of Somalia closed in Saturday on a hijacked Ukrainian ship loaded with tanks and ammunition, watching it to ensure the pirates who seized it do not try to remove any cargo or crew.

http://www.actualteam.com/?p=4357




US destroyer watching hijacked ship off Somalia (AP)
AP - A U.S. destroyer off the coast of Somalia closed in Saturday on a hijacked Ukrainian ship loaded with tanks and ammunition, watching it to ensure the pirates who seized it do not try to remove any cargo or crew.

 

[Feanor]

Wrong thread. There is a thread on piracy in the Navy forum.

 

[nevidimka]

Russia introduced a new military vehicle the BMP-T b4 the Georgian war. Was this unit introduced already into Russian Army by time the war break out?

Also if this type of tank support were there, shouldnt the russians experience fewer loss of Tanks in the war?

 

[eckherl]

Russia introduced a new military vehicle the BMP-T b4 the Georgian war. Was this unit introduced already into Russian Army by time the war break out?

Also if this type of tank support were there, shouldnt the russians experience fewer loss of Tanks in the war?

Is there a official report out yet on how many tanks Russia actually lost in that conflict. Also when did these BMP-T - B4s enter the conflict.

 

[Feanor]

b4=before Hehe. It's not part of the designation. No the BMP-T has not been introduced into any combat units. In fact it has not hit serial production. MDB lists a preproduction batch being delivered, starting in 2007. It did not take part in the conflict. Even the T-90A, which is in serial production and is being delivered to combat units most likely did not take part. (there is actually a slim chance that it did, but it doesn't seem likely)

 

[nevidimka]

So there is plans to put this unit into service then in future? Does this type of tank support can actually provide better protection for MBT's in battle? Especially from RPG's, ATGM's by terrorist/ soldiers?

Would it be a a necessity in an urban warfare?

 

[Feanor]

There are plans. Whether it will happen or not, I don't know. Personally I doubt it. Re-armament of tank units has already begun with the T-90A. The re-armament seems to have left the basic structure intact, 10 to a company, 31 to a battallion. It has left no room for BMP-T. It does provide better protection in the sense that it can provide armored, support fire to tank units in difficult terrain.

 

[eckherl]

b4=before Hehe. It's not part of the designation. No the BMP-T has not been introduced into any combat units. In fact it has not hit serial production. MDB lists a preproduction batch being delivered, starting in 2007. It did not take part in the conflict. Even the T-90A, which is in serial production and is being delivered to combat units most likely did not take part. (there is actually a slim chance that it did, but it doesn't seem likely)

Okay,

@nevidimka kind of threw me through a loop on that post.

 

[nevidimka]

Okay,

@nevidimka kind of threw me through a loop on that post.

Do you have trouble understanding my english? ehehe..

I sometimes forgo the necessities of vocab, when I type, and even include slang's.... due my laziness.

I'll try writing more formally next time. nfloorl:

 

[Feanor]

Here's an intersting summary of Georgian equipment at the start of the conflict.
http://www.rian.ru/infografika/20080918/151396922-ig.html

 

[FluffyThoughts]

Feanor,

I always enjoy reading your views. [Not sure why you are "banned" from W.A.B., though I can't get membership!]

So here is an interesting article. [Usual source I am afraid. ] What is the Russian view...?

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12415100

 

[nevidimka]

I just found out this. How many of you know, that some of those Su 25's that Georgia claimed shot down with SAM, actually flew back to Russia on its own power and is now undergoing repairs to put them back in service in some aviation complex (forgot which).

 

[John Sansom]

Count me in as one who did not know about the "crippled" and un-splashed Su 25s. But, as always, conflict generates two sets of "facts". Sorry that the repair centre is forgotten....and that, apparently, there is no gen on how badly damaged the aircraft were and how their pilots managed to effect a return. It would be nice to know stuff like this because significant feats of airmanship deserve to be acknowledged.

 

[Feanor]

3 Su-25 allegedly returned back to base, and 3 were lost including 1 allegedly to friendly fire. That's the official line at least.

 

[SkolZkiy]

Guys I am living in North Osetia and I know the situation from the inside =))
Georgian army lost something like 5000 men and most part of its weapons - something was destroyed something taken to Russia.
There was NO ANY NEW TYPES of armoured vehicles in this war from Russian side except some new MLBS "Smerch" (i'm not sure that i wrote it right =) ) and new tactical missiles "Iskander" (which were based and launched from Russian territory)

 

[Feanor]

No new types, yes. But plenty of modernized stuff that hasn't seen action before (like the Su-25SM). Now you say the Iskanders were launched. Do you have a positive confirmation for that? And how do you know how many men the Georgians lost? Where you live doesn't help, because the fighting is across the border, and empirical reports aren't enough to make a statistic unless you have some serious data-processing set up.

In other words do you have a source for your information or should we take the word of an anonymous forum user for it?

And if any of the mods can confirm where his IP is from, that would help greatly in establishing validity or absence of.

 

[nevidimka]

3 Su-25 allegedly returned back to base, and 3 were lost including 1 allegedly to friendly fire. That's the official line at least.

its not "alleged", its true. I'll show you.

http://en.rian.ru/video/20081021/117869259.html

And to John Sansom, sorry, they only mentioned aircraft maintenance and repair facility, not the name.

Why I pointed this out, is because I dont think it was reported widely. What was reported was that they were shot down, and that's inaccurate.

 

[nevidimka]

Guys I am living in North Osetia and I know the situation from the inside =))
Georgian army lost something like 5000 men and most part of its weapons - something was destroyed something taken to Russia.
There was NO ANY NEW TYPES of armoured vehicles in this war from Russian side except some new MLBS "Smerch" (i'm not sure that i wrote it right =) ) and new tactical missiles "Iskander" (which were based and launched from Russian territory)

Hi, If you are from South Ossetia, perhaps you can fill in on how it all started? Were u in the Tskhinvali? How did the Gerogian's started the attack? What were you and your family did? It would be nice to know some information from ground zero.

 

[John Sansom]

Thanks, nevidimka. I was curious about the totality of this particular event because it would be interesting to know the locale of the aircraft repair facility and perhaps somethig about the level of its capabilities.

I appreciate that Russia would be decidedly less than willing to discuss this during the hositlities themselves, but time tends to pull back certain curtains--particularly when assisted by satellite overflights.

Just put all this down to my overweaning curiousity. It doesn't pay any bills.

 

[Feanor]

When I say alleged, I mean that we don't know for sure if only 3 were damaged, if some are damaged beyond repair etc. etc. I've seen the video before. And he's not from South Ossetia Nevidimka. He said he's from North Ossetia. Big difference. Anyways I'm going to wait for a response to my question as to how he knows.