How would that work? Where would this pipeline come from? Armenias other borders are with Azerbaijan (border closed, soldiers staring down each others gun barrels) & Iran.
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Look at a map.
I actually remember a friend of mine from Georgia once proposing he could make some good money by running a fuel truck to Azerbaijan, loading up, going to Armenia via Georgia and dump it there... repeat as often as you like. :lol
Quite seriously, there's no way for any pipeline - or other direct connection - between Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Now, through Iran... that would be a possibility. Not for the West though.
Quite seriously, there's no way for any pipeline - or other direct connection - between Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Now, through Iran... that would be a possibility. Not for the West though.
If the Turks & Iranians got together to build a pipeline from Central Asia, they wouldn't bother to cut in the Armenians. They have a common border.
Once a pipeline was operating, it would supply Western countries, one way or another. Oil is fungible. One example of this is the way some Central Asian oil reaches the outside world: Iran imports oil (& I think gas) from Central Asia, & uses it in the north, e.g. Tehran. This substitutes for oil which would otherwise be transported from Iranian oilfields to Tehran. Instead, that oil is exported.
The exchanges above about pipelines remind me how much I wish more people here (not you) would look at maps. I know it's harder for those who don't carry an atlas around in their head
, but since they're on the web already, it only takes a minute to find one.radiosilence
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This is becoming more and more like a soap opera. Saakashvili is claiming that that Georgia will regain control of the two breakaway provinces(South Ossetia and Abkhazia) with the help of "the rest of the world". I wonder if he consulted the "rest of the world" when he went on his adventure on August 7.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia
If the Turks & Iranians got together to build a pipeline from Central Asia, they wouldn't bother to cut in the Armenians. They have a common border.
Once a pipeline was operating, it would supply Western countries, one way or another. Oil is fungible. One example of this is the way some Central Asian oil reaches the outside world: Iran imports oil (& I think gas) from Central Asia, & uses it in the north, e.g. Tehran. This substitutes for oil which would otherwise be transported from Iranian oilfields to Tehran. Instead, that oil is exported.
The exchanges above about pipelines remind me how much I wish more people here (not you) would look at maps. I know it's harder for those who don't carry an atlas around in their head
Dude, the article i read did mention about a possible routing of pipelines via Armenia.
And regarding maps, I saw the map, n i'm thingking perhaps, they can divert the pipeline after entering Georgia into Armenia and then Turkey. The pipelines wont get close to S.Ossetia.
Also if Turkey and Armenia who hate each other can suddenly make *diplomatic progress, y not Armenia and Azerbaijan?
After all Armenia hates Turks for what they call genocide by the ottomans against them for killing like 2 million Armenians. Surely the Azerbaijani's didnt kill 2 mill Armenian's?
Ermm, nevidimka, read up about the conflict around Nagorno-Karabakh a bit.
Both sides claim ethnic cleansing by the other side, some 50,000 people were killed, and somewhere between 1 and 1.5 million refugees resulted from the conflict - and that only 15 years ago, i.e. fresh in the minds of the current generation, and with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan still pointing their guns at each other.
Both sides claim ethnic cleansing by the other side, some 50,000 people were killed, and somewhere between 1 and 1.5 million refugees resulted from the conflict - and that only 15 years ago, i.e. fresh in the minds of the current generation, and with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan still pointing their guns at each other.
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I did look at the map as well but don't really know who's friendly to who in that general region nor the history behind it. That's why I asked what the effects might be because I don't know what's really possible there. I didn't know about the ethnic cleansing kato mentioned but I'm learning.
I did look at the map as well but don't really know who's friendly to who in that general region nor the history behind it. That's why I asked what the effects might be because I don't know what's really possible there. I didn't know about the ethnic cleansing kato mentioned but I'm learning.
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Cheney publicly made statements in regards to speeding up the membership process for Georgia into NATO during his visit to Italy, but was almost immediately overturned by the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs which said that the process will be neither sped up nor frozen.
Ok tell me if this sounds like a conspiracy theory. Leader figures in the USA forsaw that Russia would rise again after the fall, possibly as early as the mid 90's, and eastward NATO expansion is a race to prevent a resurgent Russia from reclaiming control over the region.
Ok tell me if this sounds like a conspiracy theory. Leader figures in the USA forsaw that Russia would rise again after the fall, possibly as early as the mid 90's, and eastward NATO expansion is a race to prevent a resurgent Russia from reclaiming control over the region.
Ohh forgot about that, but again that could still make the pipeline move into Georgia, and then into Armenia and then Turkey.
basically there is no way turks and Azeries also turkmenistan will accept armenia connection a little brain storming :iran has azeri population around 40 million if they can find to way to unite with azerbeycan, that means breaking up iran in to 2 or 3 pieces then pipe line could pass and reach turkey and ceyhan or from north iraq to syria.This is also hard because russia and turkey dont want second iraq in the region !this means change of all maps in mid east many will resist clearly
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And in another interesting development, president Aliev (Azerb.) said that the war in Ossetia united the caucasian nationalities around Russia. This statement comes shortly after a visit by Cheney during which Aliev spoke against the Nabucco pipeline project. Realisticaly we are looking at domino theory in action. American failure to act on behalf of Georgia is shattering confidence in American support for post-Soviet governments in the CIS. Meanwhile Timoshenko in Ukraine is possibly planning to propose herself as the presidential candidate for the next election. Since her recent radical shift in political orientation, she is now widely recognized as a more pro-Russian figure due to her refusal to support president Yuschenko on the Georgian crisis.
Once again, LOOK AT A MAP! Then explain 1) why it would make geographical sense, & 2) how routing a pipeline through an additional country would add anything to it except more political risk.
A pipeline from Azerbaijan through Armenia to Turkey is logical geographically, but politics prevent it. Once that option is ruled out, there is no reason for any pipeline to pass through Armenia. It neither reduces the cost, nor reduces the political risk.
1. All that proves is that someone wrote an article without thinking, or knowing anything. Very common.
2. It takes it further from S. Ossetia, but not out of reach of Russia, & adds additional political risk, by diverting it through another country, which has quarrels with other countries on the pipeline route.
2. Turkey doesn't hate Armenia. It's not important enough to Turkey to be hated. Armenia has a long-standing grievance against Turkey, but those events were before all but a tiny number of very old people were born, & there's no fear of a repetition. The Nagorno-Karabakh issue is recent, & still live, with Armenian troops occupying a large area of Azerbaijan, & Azeris displaced from it demanding the government get their homes back. The Azeris aren't going to co-operate in building a pipeline across that land.
Might I suggest that a little background reading is a good idea before making suggestions. Even Wikipedia can give you the basics.
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RUSSIA SHOULD ACT LIKE AMERICAS DOES IN LATIN AMERICA, SUPPORT COUP DETA FOUND ANTI GOV GROUP INVADE IS NEIGHBORD LIKE WE DID IN NICARAGUA, IRAQ, ETC:shudder
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Europ Make They Own Mistak By Supporting Georgian Leadears, Again And Again, Is Not In Poland Georgia Ukraine Interests To Act Like Theire Are, Russia Is Recogniz Super Power, They Geting Bigger Then Ever, This Times He'll Be Only Russia Not Soviet Union
I know some1 mentioned this here b4. Just posting a news on it. What do u guys think of it? Its abit funny even for me. But I dont see Russia doing a Geroia here, as the west is hell bent on denying anything like this happening in Russian favour regardless of whether is justified or not. LOL.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080903/116519145.html
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080903/116519145.html
I wonder if it's true about Russian passports in Crimea?
There are indeed tangible benefits for all involved to bypass Georgia and get armenia into pipeline business!-
ANALYSIS-Georgia war boosts Turkey-Armenia thaw
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=334313
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