Agreed - Small pillboxes on the after qtrs of the flying bridge would give good line of fire from abeam to abaft The extra height from those positions give a visual advantage.
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No not a refit, but ideally replacement.
I understand your logic and the many reasons behind that. We are facing a potential huge threat and need vessels to meet our needs. So in a nutshe a newbuilding programme is needed ASAP. - a batch of Arrowhead 140's built in SK would be a good start and with a solid armament.No not a refit, but ideally replacement.
A batch of anything with combat ability would be more than welcome, though a batch of well armed Arrowhead 140's would certainly fit the bill.
An interesting development for the RNZN noting the RN has pretty much supplanted the mini-gun with the 50 cal. Cheers In focus: the 50 cal heavy machine gun in Royal Navy service | Navy Lookout
What...so the RNZN is going to no doubt get cut-price deal on a weapon the RN has turned away from & tout it as a modernisation of force protection when in fact it will be a backward step. The 50 cal will be a darn-sight cheaper to feed as well!
You are assuming they are going to get rid of the 50 in lieu of this rather than simply adding it to the toolbox (if even adopted). An ANZAC for example has 8 50 mounts, 2 of which are mini-typhoons so why exactly do the remaining 6 need to all be 50s or that all weapons capable vessels will even fit 50s? The new littoral RHIBs for example could well be better served by these than say a 50 or a minimi mount. Options are exactly that, optional.
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I had totally forgotten about these vessels
recce.k1
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Case Study publicity piece by CarteNav on AOR HMNZS Aotearoa and its integrated sensor management system (ISMS) which links the vessel's sensors and navigation systems (some may find the details useful for reference purposes etc).
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HMNZS Aotearoa: How the Royal New Zealand Navy’s Largest Ship Uses ISR Mission Software to Power Global Sustainment — CarteNav – The Future of ISR Mission Software
HMNZS Aotearoa is a Maritime Sustainment Capability (MSC) vessel and largest ship in the Royal New Zealand Navy's Fleet. A Polar-class Logistics Support Ship, HMNZS Aotearoa, is designed as a resupply…
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Hmm - OTH-Gold is a picture communications protocol, it’s not a radar… Maritime Command and Control
recce.k1
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Hopefully they will correct their case study by removing the word "radar"?
More tech details on interoperability standards and protocols ...
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From Navy Today issue 277 (June 2023/page 3)
(The gap between the first and second deployments was due to OPV's fulfilling the role ... however the OPV's and 1 IPV are currently in care and custody - which means the vessels are "tied up alongside and preserved under a commercial arrangement to maintain its seagoing capability but without an assigned crew". Source).
Anyway here she is in Samoa.
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IIRC this is the second time an IPV has been deployed to the SW Pacific - good to see that happening (and that they can deploy successfully during the winter weather season .... pity the two sold off recently weren't permanently forward-based in the SW Pac instead)!
(The gap between the first and second deployments was due to OPV's fulfilling the role ... however the OPV's and 1 IPV are currently in care and custody - which means the vessels are "tied up alongside and preserved under a commercial arrangement to maintain its seagoing capability but without an assigned crew". Source).
Anyway here she is in Samoa.
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Job well done Our Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral David Proctor, presented certificates of achievement to members of the Samoan Maritime Police in Apia today. The Samoan Maritime Police members have...
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Can you justify why you would build in South Korea when this vessel is not in construction there. The SK yards are very capable but they are not building this design at the moment and tooling up for it will take time and funds. Certainly, if cost and timeliness is an issue then tacking something onto the UK build would provide economies of scale coming out of what would be a mature production line by the time your frigates are ordered
If you are locally minded, the Indonesian build would be cheaper but there may be ITAR issues depending on the desired equipment and systems to be fited to the vessel.
The RNZN have been well served by SK yards for its AOR's but this does not mean all vessels should be built there.
Its cost and an excellent product for that cost. With the UK its not your ability to build ships rather the problems associated with the work force and the overuns from strikes that can occur -= eg Type 26 sabotage recently and UK govt trying to hold down the Type 31 to its 250m pound max per unit. Out here the logical shipbuilder for NZ would be Australia but the cost is prohibitive. All up its what we can get for our buck without comprising on quality of the build.
While acknowldeding the labour issues, to suggest the the UK will provide a sub par product (comapred to others) seems to be overeach. Noting both Poland and Indonesia are intending to purchase vessels of this type, ... and the fact the UK have decided to increase the capability of the vessel, means there is a lot to recommend it as the supply chain of fittings and systems will be establish and the cost per unit will decrease over time.
In so far as sabotage is concerned, it is unfortunate. However, unless the investigation proves otherwise, this cannot be seen as a systemic issue. It may be a disaffected individual and I would expect they will get to the bottom of this.
My main issue is the suggestion that SK is the solution to all issues and that an SK yard should take up the build of the T31. Apart from tooling up and developing a supply line for fittings and equipment, this proposal would depend on licencing the production of the T31 to an SK yard. Why do people think Babcock/BMT/Thales would agree to that?
To clarify - I did not infer that UK shipbuilding was "sub par" .BUT am apprehensive towards the labour force and the effects of striking.(historically a problem). As you pointed out the improvements to the supply chain including new systems and facilities is a very welcome advance. Regarding the last paragraph - SK is not the only option but they are extremely competative or were. Finally if the Babcock consortium have considered licences in both Poland and Indonesia why not SK or another Asian yard provided their technology is secure The sale or cost of providing such becomes a royalty and at a cost. Efficiencies in the UK program will undoubtly evolve once the first T31 is completed. Lets wait and see.
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HMNZS Te Mana exercising with HMAS Warramunga recently (as part of Te Mana's post FSU regeneration).
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Te Mana to also conduct Seaceptor live firing in the East Australian Exercise Area for testing and certification purposes and then depoly to SE Asia for the next 5 months.
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HMAS Warramunga (II)
This week HMAS Warramunga (II) had a fabulous week at sea with her Kiwi cousin, HMNZS Te Mana. Together we achieved: Officer Of the Watch Manoeuvres (OOWMANs) Replenishment At Sea Approaches...
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Te Mana to also conduct Seaceptor live firing in the East Australian Exercise Area for testing and certification purposes and then depoly to SE Asia for the next 5 months.
New Zealand Frigate Arrives in Australia for Rare Missile Firing - Naval News
It will be the first time since 2012 that a New Zealand warship has fired any kind of missile and marks an important milestone...
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Australia-NZ could combine on deal for smaller, missile-laden frigates
British defence giant Babcock has pitched a light frigate design to Australia amid jockeying by shipbuilders ahead of a major navy review.
"Sources say" ! Not sure I'd read too much into this as NZ does have a tendering process, but if the price/fitout was right I'm sure there would be interest but that's not the same as money on the table and signed contracts. This just looks like gossip otherwise.
recce.k1
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No I would say the "sources" would be on the mark. Trouble is it's likely the Aus side "leaking" to the media, if so, I would expect (unfortunately, for us etc) that there will be no official comment from the NZ side of things for quite a while.Australia-NZ could combine on deal for smaller, missile-laden frigates
British defence giant Babcock has pitched a light frigate design to Australia amid jockeying by shipbuilders ahead of a major navy review.www.afr.com
"Sources say" ! Not sure I'd read too much into this as NZ does have a tendering process, but if the price/fitout was right I'm sure there would be interest but that's not the same as money on the table and signed contracts. This just looks like gossip otherwise.
Anyway the Albanese government’s surface fleet review's recommendations will be key (eg in terms of a "Tier 2" capability). Which may then provide an opportunity for NZ to join if it's in both nations interests. And also for that to happen it also depends on what vessel type is chosen.
In terms of Babcock, it will be interesting to eventually find out if they are promoting the Arrowhead 140 (T31) or their stretched A140MNP concept.
If the later that variant may very well suit NZ's needs for an ANZAC Frigate replacement (personally I would prefer a T26 variant, for ASW specialisation, with AH140/T31 for OPV replacements, but hey), but would that be overkill for a RAN "Tier 2", or not?