My main reason for suggestion Picton was depth of water and proximity to Woodbourne. Picton would become more desirable especially if the proposed / hinted at floating drydock was located there. If we are looking at a minor Forward Operating Base then realistically from a deployment perspective for 2/1 Christchurch and Timaru are the only realistic options. If you're only looking at a pick up and delivery service an FOB for Canterbury wouldn't be required. If you're looking at the SOPV / OPV then Dunedin becomes a viable option with its heavy engineering capability. Bluff would also be an option, but Dunedin and Bluff would require investment in new wharf infrastructure.
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Nighthawk.NZ
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'Absurd and abhorrent' - NZDF denies claims training exercise is 'practising killing protestors'
Can I just LOL at this, our defence force has to actually deny it... I mean what the actual...
And sadly, this sort of nonsense is why NZ will never get a more capable defence force until things get so bad that it's too late. At which point the Peace Collective will run away, blaming the NZDF for not protecting their civil rights.
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Unfortunately they breathe and breed. Probably drink lattes and drive electric cars as well. Greeny yuppies. However they do have a legal right to whinge and unfortunately in this case the media ran with what was obviously something really stupid.
Yes and social media gives these air-heads a platform, like many other fruit-cakes! Sure it has huge benefits but its taking the good with the bad I guess! So long as NZDF replies with a reasoned & sound reply there's not much more can be done as they simply won't listen to any reasoning nor logic no matter how sound. The mass will see it for what it is!
These types are a very small minority who make a lot of noise to make themselves appear bigger than they are, even if the noise they make is ridiculous and emotionally based some of the press are stupid enough to report on it. When polls have been taken on the subject of the New Zealand defence forces the silent majority are overwhelmingly in support.
It was, however, a pretty inept bit of planning and PR in the first place. Presume somebody is feeling a bit of pain. Mind you, the NZDF is by no means alone; on the other side of the ditch we get the occasional bit of stupidity which gives those who see mileage in Defence bashing a free pass.
Nighthawk.NZ
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Well HMNZS Aotearoa is on her way to her new home
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There's nothing wrong with electric cars Ngati, they just don't sound right but that about my only complaint.
Mine too actually. I think that it sounds very strange without the throaty roar of a V8 or the musical purr of a Rolls Royce 27 litre V12 Merlin.
Todjaeger
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OT, but Just wait until you see what can happen after an MVA with an entrapped person requiring extrication... The hybrids were bad enough, but a full electric can be even worse...
I’m just waiting for the increase in pedestrian injuries.
How many times have most of us nearly thumped some halfwit crossing the road, staring at a cellphone with earphones plugged in. I have a very loud V8, what chance with an EV?
I was a young bloke on a Rugby tour to NZ in 1964. I went to cross the road in Wellington and nearly got skittled by an electric trolley bus, I’d never even seen one before and it was simply whispering death and the closest thing to earphones was a transistor radio stuck on your shoulder!
How many times have most of us nearly thumped some halfwit crossing the road, staring at a cellphone with earphones plugged in. I have a very loud V8, what chance with an EV?
I was a young bloke on a Rugby tour to NZ in 1964. I went to cross the road in Wellington and nearly got skittled by an electric trolley bus, I’d never even seen one before and it was simply whispering death and the closest thing to earphones was a transistor radio stuck on your shoulder!
Redlands18
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Yes i think its about time to extend the ban on non hands free use of Cell Phones to Pedestrians as well, once you step off the curb you put the Phone away, unfortunately this won’t happen till a few people are killed, not that i have much sympathy for the pedestrian killed but i do have for the poor bugger who was driving the car.
Todjaeger
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If people want to hear EMS stories of people and their "smart" phones, let me know... Incidentally I have come to believe that smartphones are often smarter than their users/owners.
Circumstantial evidence of rugby tour, young bloke, NZ, unfamiliar surroundings, 1960's, limited vision, diminished hearing, trouble crossing the road, .... sounds as though Assail you had just left the pub mate after a good session
.40 deg south
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Spain. She has been ready for delivery to Aust for some time but has been held up by COVID.
Aotearoa looks “cleaner” partly because she would seem to still have quite a bit of kit, weapons in particular, yet to be fitted. Supply will be in the same position for her delivery voyage.
You could use the same mast for both solids and liquids, but it would be inefficient as you would have to unrig and rerig between evolutions, and you couldn’t do them simultaneously. However, you can also use a crane to setup a heavy jackstay, or set up a pyramid as needed; you don’t necessarily have to have a permanent, dedicated installation - although it is better.
Actually, without actually seeing it close up, the rig does look a bit like a large sliding pad eye......it’s not, btw, but to see the difference, the after of the two RAS masts on the Korean ship is.
Aotearoa looks “cleaner” partly because she would seem to still have quite a bit of kit, weapons in particular, yet to be fitted. Supply will be in the same position for her delivery voyage.
You could use the same mast for both solids and liquids, but it would be inefficient as you would have to unrig and rerig between evolutions, and you couldn’t do them simultaneously. However, you can also use a crane to setup a heavy jackstay, or set up a pyramid as needed; you don’t necessarily have to have a permanent, dedicated installation - although it is better.
Actually, without actually seeing it close up, the rig does look a bit like a large sliding pad eye...
...it’s not, btw, but to see the difference, the after of the two RAS masts on the Korean ship is.
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Some navies use separate solids and liquids RAS stations (ie the Korean ship above) and the USN in particular. Others use combination masts (for example the recently retired HMAS Success).You could use the same mast for both solids and liquids, but it would be inefficient as you would have to unrig and rerig between evolutions, and you couldn’t do them simultaneously. However, you can also use a crane to setup a heavy jackstay, or set up a pyramid as needed; you don’t necessarily have to have a permanent, dedicated installation - although it is better.
Actually, without actually seeing it close up, the rig does look a bit like a large sliding pad eye...
Perhaps the RNZN should look to install a stand-alone jackstay for solid cargo on HMNZS Aotearoa. The US developed just such a system, called the Modular Cargo Delivery System (Link). It was installed on several vessels of the Military Sealift Command's Ready Reserve Fleet back in the 1990s (for example a couple of the Cape J & Cape G vessels). Would only cost a few million, but turns your vessel into a full underway replenishment vessel.
Nighthawk.NZ
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I orginally thought it was RAS stations could do both now I am not sure...
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They are frequently dual purpose, if you have a look at a photo of Cantarbria (or Supply) the fuelling gear is on the forward side of the king posts and the sliding pad eye on the after. However, one doesn’t normally use them both at the same time (I’m sure somebody will point out a situation where it happened, but it’s not normal). Aotearoa may well have such a fit.