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ngatimozart

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jeffb said:
Has there been any change to the political will of the NZ government at all recently that suggest that reestablishing an ACF is anything other than fantasy?
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The current government is having a change of attitude WRT the threats that the CCP / PRC represent to the Realm of NZ and the South Pacific. It's hardening its attitude towards the PRC. It is finally starting to realise that NZDF requires new capabilities and the new Defence Assessment / DWP will inform the DCP which will follow. BTW if you read my post above I did say IF.
"Let me repeat myself The Loyal Wingman has no combat / surveillance mission sets at all."

That is a very curious statement but keep on keeping on...
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It isn't a curious statement at all. Why don't you go read the RAAF web page on it. I did and it took me about 10 seconds to find it.[/QUOTE]
 
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Shanesworld

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Hey cheers for that. Didnt know there was that difference. Can they access the gas regulator from under armour or do you have to do it from outside the turret?
 
Kiwigov

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Gooey said:
The very recent NZ MoD Defence Assessment 2021 should have sounded alarm bells, publicly, within the government but there is zero evidence that this has happened other than platitudes from the local village idiot who is DefMin: "People, Infrastructure, Pacific". IMHO, the opposite is happening with funding being spent on COVID ops instead of budgeted programs such as Enhanced Maritime Awareness Capability (which seems to have shrunk/evolved from a $600m aviation/UAS platform to become a several $m commercial surveillance system).
So, the short answer: fantasy.
While Rome burns, I sit back and think of past RNZAF glory and thinking of what could have been with an F-16 fleet ACF now.
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So if history is regurgitating itself and we are recapping 1938...what could feasibly be purchased off-the-shelf and operated to suit our capacity constraints and Pacific range requirements in a (say) two-year period? Making the assumption that manned ACF assets would not be available due to a desperate need by 5EYs partners
 
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Gooey

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Sorry for the shopping list, but I'd think: more P-8A and new LRASM; armed T-6, if that exists; T-50, to start the fast jet pipeline. I'd also plug for armed M/UH-60M and SH-60R (ditch the 90s and SeaSprites).
It's a nice thought though because I see no NZG appetite to do anything (sorry Ngat!) even though it is "1938". Sadly, our national ability to look beyond our internal issues seems to have evaporated.
It gets worse, b/c I would be very unsurprised if AUKUS is the start of a quiet move to ditch NZ from FVEY. Entirely preventable and our own fault. Such is life.
 
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There was an interesting formation flying around Marton today consisting of the Avenger, Spitfire and 2 T6 Texans doing what looked like formation practice. What the reason for this is I don't know.
 
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oldsig127 said:
The which?

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Chance Vought F-4U Corsair also built by Goodyear who built the majority of them. Operated by the RNZAF in the Pacific during WW2. Mostly operated by the USN & USMC as well as RN during the war. Nicknamed the "Whistling Death" by the Japanese. It was a very formidable aircraft.

 
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ngatimozart said:
Chance Vought F-4U Corsair also built by Goodyear who built the majority of them. Operated by the RNZAF in the Pacific during WW2. Mostly operated by the USN & USMC as well as RN during the war. Nicknamed the "Whistling Death" by the Japanese. It was a very formidable aircraft.

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I really need to use a "leg pulling" emoticon when I try to wind up Kiwis. No sense of humour...

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oldsig127 said:
I really need to use a "leg pulling" emoticon when I try to wind up Kiwis. No sense of humour...

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I thought that you was unfamiliar with the type being that it wasn't in Australian service and would've been to complicated for you fullas to fly. The real crime with them was the NZ govt ordering14 Sqn to burn their aircraft when they returned home from occupational duties in Japan with J-Force. So they had a huge bonfire at the airfield and destroyed something like 20 odd aircraft in a pyre because the government couldn't be bothered paying for their repatriation back to NZ. A bloody crime it was.
 
Stuart M

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oldsig127 said:
I really need to use a "leg pulling" emoticon when I try to wind up Kiwis. No sense of humour...

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It's true, our sense of humour is surgically removed at birth otherwise there is a risk we will end up sounding like Australians.. and no one needs that in their life.
 
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Stuart M said:
It's true, our sense of humour is surgically removed at birth otherwise there is a risk we will end up sounding like Australians.. and no one needs that in their life.
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I totally disagree as I think we can laugh at our selves. never met any of them who live on the western side of the ditch that do that.
 
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