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Hi John - just taking up the exchange we had about 2 months ago. Latest report from Avalon in Jane's seems to say RNZAF realizes they must move quickly to secure an option on P-8s:
Avalon]Avalon 2017: New Zealand requests P-8A cost and availability details | IHS Jane's 360 2017: New Zealand requests P-8A cost and availability details | IHS Jane's 360
Novascotiaboy
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If Australia opts to drop its Tiger ARH's would it make sense for NZ to consider participation to better outfit its JATF for the post 2030 timeframe?
Reports from Avalon have Bell proposing the UH1Y and AH1Z. As marinized aircraft they would be the optimum for operations from the next fleet.
Avalon 2017: Bell pitches Viper and Venom helos to Australia | IHS Jane's 360
Reports from Avalon have Bell proposing the UH1Y and AH1Z. As marinized aircraft they would be the optimum for operations from the next fleet.
Avalon 2017: Bell pitches Viper and Venom helos to Australia | IHS Jane's 360
Nope, not our CONOPS and TBH wouldn't touch them with a 50m barge pole.
I was referring to areas around the southern alps rather than offshore locations and on the central plateau, the ones that are now closed but another member suggested could be reopened, these should not be reopened imo.
I'm not familiar where the historic Military Flying Zones were in the South Island, but I agree it is very unlikely these would be reinstated to support Foreign Fast Jet operations, there is a lot more civil use of the South Island mountain airspace than there was 20 years ago, there would be considerable opposition to any move in this direction, although there is nothing to prevent such operations as long as compliance with airspace is undertaken, currently it is possible to obtain special airspace changes for short periods of time even without permanently approved areas, this approach could be utilised if required
I decided to have a poke around on the Airways website which I have not done for years and they kindly have provided a useful map. The MOA's are in green.
https://www.airshare.co.nz/maps
I noted this: "There are other types of special use airspace areas such as Danger Areas, which are permanent and also temporary notified via Notices to Airmen (NOTAM)."
So I think leaving things as they are is best and if a notified temporary change is required then it can be done within the rules.
I can't copy and paste or download as all those functions are disabled on my web copy
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Hopefully 2019 is not the end. It would imply Boeing has given up on P-8s for Canada which is rather strange considering the amount of effort they put into securing a SH order. It would be nice to think that some kind of future offer on P-8s will be included when we throw away billions on SHs that won't be viable in 15-20 years or possibly less.
Novascotiaboy
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NH90 makes emergency landing while on training.
Air Force helicopter crash-lands near Taupo | Stuff.co.nz
Air Force helicopter crash-lands near Taupo | Stuff.co.nz
At least the headline has now been altered to "Air Force helicopter makes emergency landing near Taupo".
Sounds more reasonable.
The blades hit pine trees during confined spaces training according to a member on the WONZ forum - they released a video about this training and the use of explosives to create the landing spaces couple of months ago that features the NH-90's using them - wish I could clear my trees that way
:: https://www.facebook.com/NewZealandDefenceForce/videos/1217689088268235/On a related note - ages ago someone was after photos of the long-range tanks fitted to the NH-90's but no good ones of them fitted to RNZAF air-frames were available. At the recent Air Tattoo one of the NH-90's on static display was fitted with them so there should be a few images around now
That confined spaces training is next door to Ohakea inside NZDF Land at Raumai range afraid its no where near Taupo so not to sure what those old salts are going on about?The blades hit pine trees during confined spaces training according to a member on the WONZ forum - they released a video about this training and the use of explosives to create the landing spaces couple of months ago that features the NH-90's using them - wish I could clear my trees that way
Perhaps my fault for joining the dots a little too far
Another interesting link doing the rounds in the last few weeks is this map from the RNZN/NZ Rescue Coordination center showing NZ's Search and Rescue area, transposed on top of a map of Europe - Its a good map for non-kiwis to understand just how much ground the P-3 replacement will need to cover.
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalNewZealandNavy/posts/10155965025013009:0
Janes website states:
New Zealand has requested detailed cost and availability information from the US government for the Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft (MPA), the country's Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to Jane's on 2 March.
The MoD sent a letter of request to the US government seeking these details "so that the option of the P-8A aircraft can be preserved due to the window of availability being limited".
Novascotiaboy
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There was a series of photos on the RNZAF Facebook page about the P3 dropping Mk 82 dumb bombs with a statement about their use in ASW. Does the P3 still have the ability to drop torpedoes and are the current stocks still functional? A new replacement torpedoe isn't planned for another decade according to the DWP. Besides the dumb bombs what other ordinance is available to the aircraft in current inventory?
Torpedoes are operational, the last live drop was in the middle of last year at RIMPAC.
Video: NZDF fires torpedo at 'submarine' | Newshub
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J_Can
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Saab positions Swordfish MPA for New Zealand requirement | IHS Jane's 360 (can't post links yet)
This would certainly be an interesting option for the RNZAF. Perhaps the RNZAF would consider a high low mix of the swordfish mpa and the triton. Although just looking at what the NZDF seems to want out of the P3 replacement buy I still think the P8 is better suited for the NZDF needs.
This would certainly be an interesting option for the RNZAF. Perhaps the RNZAF would consider a high low mix of the swordfish mpa and the triton. Although just looking at what the NZDF seems to want out of the P3 replacement buy I still think the P8 is better suited for the NZDF needs.
Have a read back through the thread. This has been thrashed quite a bit. Short answer is the SAAB Swordfish doesn't meet all the NZ requirements as listed in the RFI issued last year. There is another project for training air warfare operators / officers based on the Beechcraft B200 - B350 series of TP and it will have a set of maritime search sensors etc., installed as part of the training. So that covers the EEZ part of maritime surveillance.
Has anyone come across any listing of the respondents to the FASC RFI We know now that Boeing, KHI , Embraer and Saab have responded. What of Airbus and the A319 MPA and are there any others?