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hauritz

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Getting rid of NAFTA basically protects an inefficient US manufacturing industry. The result will simply be more expensive American built products that nobody will want to buy.

What is the bet that Japan, China and Korea will now jump in and use the car manufacturing industry built in Mexico with American money, and sell those cars back to the Americans?
 
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hauritz said:
Getting rid of NAFTA basically protects an inefficient US manufacturing industry. The result will simply be more expensive American built products that nobody will want to buy.

What is the bet that Japan, China and Korea will now jump in and use the car manufacturing industry built in Mexico with American money, and sell those cars back to the Americans?
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seeing trump complaining that the germans don't buy US cars was hysterical... FFS what planet is he on
 
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If Trump withdraws from NAFTA, WTO rules apply, hardly chaos. A Canadian think tank estimates that it would cost Canada's exporters about $4.2 billion (US), about 1.5% of the total value of Canada's exports to the US. Thus a very minimal effect on Canada; just how that would eliminate any chance of rebuilding Canada's defense capabilities is beyond me.

There has been an awful lot of hysterical reporting about this issue. Trump's main concerns with NAFTA are with Mexico and not with Canada. One must recall that NAFTA replaced the US/Canadian Free trade Agreement, an agreement about which Trump has never complained. In any event Canada and Mexico, despite all of the macho, jingoistic rhetoric, have no choice but to renegotiate the agreement. The nonsense that Canada and Mexico can prosper trading with each other is just that - nonsense.

US GDP: $19.5 trillion
Canada GDP: $1.6 trillion
Mexico GDP: $987 million
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WTO rules, give me a break. The WTO has ruled in Canada's favour on multiple occasions regarding the softwood lumber dispute. The US just ignored the rulings. The elimination of NAFTA will make it easier for many US small to medium sized businesses that feel hard pressed to complete against Canada (especially auto part manufacturers) to seek new tariffs by whining to Trump. There are other vulnerable sectors as well. Then there is pollies on both sides of the border that can stir things up to the point that causes the smarter pollies to support dumb ideas. If enough stuff hits the fan then yes, the resulting decline in revenue will effect defence first.
 
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seeing trump complaining that the germans don't buy US cars was hysterical... FFS what planet is he on
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Apparently not Earth. As for not buying US cars, actually the Germans do, Mercedes and BMW SUVs manufactured in the southern US.:D
 
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hauritz said:
Getting rid of NAFTA basically protects an inefficient US manufacturing industry. The result will simply be more expensive American built products that nobody will want to buy.

What is the bet that Japan, China and Korea will now jump in and use the car manufacturing industry built in Mexico with American money, and sell those cars back to the Americans?
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Japan and the US D3 have been doing this for years. It is the cheap Mexican labour market that is the cause of American dissatisfaction with NAFTA.
 
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hauritz

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John Fedup said:
Well it is about time the sales team at LM got off their butts and countered junior's idiotic SH sole-source "interim" jet purchase. If an interim buy happens ( doubtful now IMO) it would place the winner in a very advantageous position for the full fleet replacement down the road.

Lockheed Martin offers F-35 to Canada as ‘interim’ fighter jet | National Post
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A small batch of F-35 aircraft would be the most sensible solution. Which of course means that it will never happen.
 
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John Fedup said:
WTO rules, give me a break. The WTO has ruled in Canada's favour on multiple occasions regarding the softwood lumber dispute. The US just ignored the rulings. The elimination of NAFTA will make it easier for many US small to medium sized businesses that feel hard pressed to complete against Canada (especially auto part manufacturers) to seek new tariffs by whining to Trump. There are other vulnerable sectors as well. Then there is pollies on both sides of the border that can stir things up to the point that causes the smarter pollies to support dumb ideas. If enough stuff hits the fan then yes, the resulting decline in revenue will effect defence first.
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Give me a break. It's obvious you get your views on the Softwood Lumber issues through the Canadian Press which has consistently mischaracterized WTO rulings in this matter. Rather than give a knee jerk jingoistic response, do some research. The WTO has consistently ruled that Canadian softwood lumber is subsidized and in violation of WTO rules. What the WTO ruled was that the US, in response to this Canadian violation, imposed duties that were too high and improperly calculated. That is hardly a ruling in favor of Canada. That's the primary reason Canada has entered into bi-lateral agreements with the US on softwood lumber, because it is afraid of the WTO on this matter.
The problem with the Mexican auto industry, as far as the US sees it, is not only the cheap labor, but more importantly, the percentage content of the cars. Car manufacturers in Mexico are using cheap Chinese and Japanese parts to build their cars and selling them to US consumers thus harming American manufacturing.
Try doing some independent research and stop relying on jingoistic Canadian media for your economic facts.
 
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This is a thread about the RCAF. It is not a political thread so all posters please refrain from the politics and jingoism. Politics per se are against the forum rules.
 
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Junior's RCAF chief is hyping up Canada's NORAD capabilities. Although the CP-140 Aurora is a good platform and has been upgraded, keeping it to 2032 is a stretch. The UAS assets are years away and there is no mention of our fighter replacement debacle. The upgraded Halifax frigates are a RCN success, of DND's few. No mention of BMD, pathetic given the current developments in NK.

Who Stands On Guard For Thee: Canada’s Contribution To Northern Defense « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
 
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Junior doesn't want the SH interim pricing revealed, not for the reasons DND says but rather not to be further embarrassed by his stupidity with the fighter replacement decisions he has made to date. Lucky for him the Canadian electorate is beyond caring for national defence.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...uper-hornet-jets-but-wont-reveal-numbers.html
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Is there any change in the status of things given the developments in North Korea.

Australian papers are full of maps showing how we are in strike distance, and mushroom clouds going up over Sydney and tables showing how Sydney doesn't have any BMD. Canada is much the same distance. Surely hitting targets like Seattle or Chicago or New York will also concern Canada?

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North Korean missiles can strike Australia and we can't stop them
 
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Minimal coverage as the Canadian public has zero interest in defence matters. Many also assume the North Koreans wouldn't waste a bomb on us as we are next to useless militarily. On that score they may be right although NK shots on the US may deviate off course and hit Canadian territory instead.
 
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Redlands18

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John Fedup said:
Minimal coverage as the Canadian public has zero interest in defence matters. Many also assume the North Koreans wouldn't waste a bomb on us as we are next to useless militarily. On that score they may be right although NK shots on the US may deviate off course and hit Canadian territory instead.
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Australia will rescue the RCAF.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/09/canada-considering-raaf-classic-hornets/
A Canadian delegation visited Australia in August to discuss transferring the Jets.
 
John Fedup

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There are zero smarts in Canadian defence procurement lately, e.g. stuffed up AORs from SeaSpan, a stalled CSC program, the endless CH-148 saga, and the cluster #uck fighter replacement. Buying used classic Hornets might actually awaken the braindead electorate here as to how stupid junior really is. One can only hope.
 
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John Fedup said:
There are zero smarts in Canadian defence procurement lately, e.g. stuffed up AORs from SeaSpan, a stalled CSC program, the endless CH-148 saga, and the cluster #uck fighter replacement. Buying used classic Hornets might actually awaken the braindead electorate here as to how stupid junior really is. One can only hope.
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Actually the conflict between the Boeing and Bombadier subsidies may have helped slow down the acquisition of F/A-18 E/F so that the true cost vis-a-vis the F-35A may not come out. I suspect that there was not a lot of difference. So acquiring used RAAF Classic Hornets will not be a bad idea politically. Could tide them over for a while at least
 
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