Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[StingrayOZ]

Sydney was a lucky buy, and showed that the amphibious side of a "carrier" was proberly more valuable (and cheaper) than flying fast jets off them. Australia was one of the few countries that had an old carrier that used it in this way (because we had two).

Bay is certainly a capable ship. But she doesn't have anywhere near the aviation capabilities of the LHD which is so essential to their use. A tent on the deck is nothing like the huge hanger on the canberra, fuel load, weapons lifts, chinook friendlness, safety in landing during bad weather or night ops.

While the bay is in some ways more capable than what she is replacing, she can't be the lynch pin of an amphibious landing like the LHD can. She can help, but a bay (or two or three or four) can't deploy 2,000 troops plus equipment, certainly not with the aviation component any modern amphibious landing would require. Our requirement runs right up to the maxium capability of the much larger LHD, and we need two of them to do it.

There is a very good reason we went with 2 LHD's and not 4 Bay type vessels.

 

[icelord]

Clover Moore mutinies and demands the surrender of Garden Island

FOR more than 100 years it has been a key naval facility, a site where warships dock for repairs and maintenance.

Now Clover Moore wants Garden Island opened up for international tourists.

The Sydney Lord Mayor also wants the impact of the navy's activities to stop bothering neighbours, who enjoy multi-million-dollar views.

Ms Moore flagged details of a submission City of Sydney Council will put to an independent review of Garden Island's future, including calling for the site to be used for recreation and tourism.

As the navy's major east coast refit, repair and maintenance facility - in use since 1856 - Ms Moore said the review should examine the "potential impact on amenity" to surrounding well-off residents who, sources said, complained about the lights and the noise.

"All current Garden Island uses should be reviewed in order to get a balance that better uses and shares our precious harbour resource," she said.

The submission will call for the site to be expanded with deepwater berths for cruise ships and a ferry terminal connecting to Circular Quay.

"Garden Island is one of the last remaining accessible dock facilities near Sydney," Ms Moore said.

"I support a continuing naval presence on part of Garden Island. I also support the sharing of deep-water berths between naval and commercial shipping.s ... if the impacts on the densely populated surrounding area can be managed to protect residential amenity."

Clover Moore mutinies and demands the surrender of Garden Island | thetelegraph.com.au

Should i Act surprised at this silly womans idea...

 

[Aussie optimist]

Should i Act surprised at this silly womans idea...[/quote]

It never fails to astound me with the level of stupidity that some people display, like yeah no worries take our major naval base for recreation its all good we can just tie the frigates ect up at local piers.

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

She does have a point. I mean, there are plenty of places for a mighty fine naval base on the east coast, not sure why we need one right in Potts Point. Just think of the land value to developers. I guess the sunk infrastructure costs are the only real worry.

 

[Kirkzzy]

If this BS happened where would the ships currently at Garden go to?

Btw... why does Australia have a need for an East and West coast fleet?

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

If this BS happened where would the ships currently at Garden go to?

One would assume another facility somewhere in NSW would have to be developed first. I'm sure they could find somewhere.

Btw... why does Australia have a need for an East and West coast fleet?

We are a transcontinental power with interests in both the Indian and Pacific oceans, makes sense to have a permanent presence on both coasts.

 

[OpinionNoted]

One would assume another facility somewhere in NSW would have to be developed first. I'm sure they could find somewhere.


Mabey qld would be more practical a choice.

 

[StevoJH]

One would assume another facility somewhere in NSW would have to be developed first. I'm sure they could find somewhere.


Mabey qld would be more practical a choice.

Where in queensland? It would need to be in a major population centre, it would need to be near other major population centres.

Oh, and it'd probably cost a couple of billion dollars to develop the site by the time you replaced dry docks and all the other infrastructure.

The thing that makes me laugh, is that the navy was there first, they were there when the developers decided to build there and they were there when the wealthy people decided to move there.

And it was the NSW Government and Sydney counsel that approved the redevelopment of the Sydney dock's

Seeing a trend here?

 

[Milne Bay]

Where in queensland? It would need to be in a major population centre, it would need to be near other major population centres.

Oh, and it'd probably cost a couple of billion dollars to develop the site by the time you replaced dry docks and all the other infrastructure.

The thing that makes me laugh, is that the navy was there first, they were there when the developers decided to build there and they were there when the wealthy people decided to move there.

And it was the NSW Government and Sydney counsel that approved the redevelopment of the Sydney dock's

Seeing a trend here?

I guess Clover Moore gets a lot of campaign funding from Pier 1.

On a different matter but related - the night clubs of Kings Cross are not having their licenses renewed as they expire. Seems there are plans for the re-development of the Cross into more Yuppie Villas and Hi-rise.
What will the boys from Garden Island do when this occurs? No-where to play.

 

[ngatimozart]

Clover Moore mutinies and demands the surrender of Garden Island | thetelegraph.com.au

Should i Act surprised at this silly womans idea...

The Nimby syndrome. Not In My Back Yard. Also she's probably thinking about the rates (tax) she could get for million dollar views if Garden Island was developed.

It was like when I was based at RNZAF Wigram (Christchurch) back in the 1970's. When it was made an air base back in 1919 it was surrounded by farms. By 1970 there was quite a bit of urban development on 3 sides. It was a flying training and the training aircraft was Harvards. Every time there was night flying all the civvies used to ring up complaining about the noise. The airbase was there before the housing. The civvies chose to live there knowing full well that it was a flying training base. Civvies whinged like hell when RNZAF relocated flying training to Ohakea and the base was closed in 1995 because the amount of money the closure took out of local economy.

Same with Garden Island. If RAN decided to close Garden Island and relocate elsewhere bet she'd whinge like hell then.

 

[SASWanabe]

i just cant wait till the Canberras' get here, imagine the whining then :

 

[Aussie optimist]

i just cant wait till the Canberras' get here, imagine the whining then :

I seriously don't get these people!! I couldn't think of a better thing to look at from the back porch than the beautiful shapes and lines of our nations fighting ships . Or maybe that is just me but I still don't see the problem.

 

[gf0012-aust]

When my daughter lived in wollooomooloo she was always sending me shots of the ships in port - I'd much rather look at ships than the muppets who hang out at the cafes....

having to go there for work was even better, damn shame that my main mil "customers" are no longer based there.

Bungendore is not the same as Kuttabul....

 

[StevoJH]

The Nimby syndrome. Not In My Back Yard. Also she's probably thinking about the rates (tax) she could get for million dollar views if Garden Island was developed.

I was under the impression that a lot of the buildings inside the base were heritage listed and can't be knocked down anyway?

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

When my daughter lived in wollooomooloo she was always sending me shots of the ships in port - I'd much rather look at ships than the muppets who hang out at the cafes....

having to go there for work was even better, damn shame that my main mil "customers" are no longer based there.

Bungendore is not the same as Kuttabul....

Navy always picks the best spots for basing. Williamstown in Vic has, without a doubt, the best view of the city anywhere. The bay, princess peer and Melbourne's beautiful skyline all in front of you.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I was under the impression that a lot of the buildings inside the base were heritage listed and can't be knocked down anyway?

yep, she could do bugger all, so you could make life hard for developers, that wouldn't stop parasite real estate agents from buggering up the insides of some of them.

new mantra - "keel haul clover moore"

 

[Abraham Gubler]

Clover Moore mutinies and demands the surrender of Garden Island | thetelegraph.com.au

Should i Act surprised at this silly womans idea...

I don't mind the City of Sydney taking over Garden Island for civil use. But only if they pay for the Navy to relocate to a greenfields site in Jervis Bay. Total cost of new FBE and supporting infrastructure being around $10-20 billion. This can be raised by a new rates levy of City of Sydney residents: over the five year build and relocation plan this would equate to $10,000-20,000 per resident, per year. I wonder how well this would go down for Clover Moore's next election campaign?

 

[icelord]

i just cant wait till the Canberras' get here, imagine the whining then :

running joke, russel crowe wont see the sunrise till lunch time

I don't mind the City of Sydney taking over Garden Island for civil use. But only if they pay for the Navy to relocate to a greenfields site in Jervis Bay. Total cost of new FBE and supporting infrastructure being around $10-20 billion. This can be raised by a new rates levy of City of Sydney residents: over the five year build and relocation plan this would equate to $10,000-20,000 per resident, per year. I wonder how well this would go down for Clover Moore's next election campaign?

My last CO was telling us how he was on the planning group for looking at Fleet base JB. they found some endangered seaweed that prevents them building anywhere wise, which was beecroft side to allow for tides etc.

The dumbest part is how long RAN was there first, and the pier was the NAVY GYM for crying out loud! Never should have sold the pier to devlopers, instead turning into Defence accomadation. Id rather have woken up each day on the harbour then homebush...o wait, i moved to north shore and do anyway to avoid yuppies...ha

On a different matter but related - the night clubs of Kings Cross are not having their licenses renewed as they expire. Seems there are plans for the re-development of the Cross into more Yuppie Villas and Hi-rise.
What will the boys from Garden Island do when this occurs? No-where to play.

Thats why bourbon and club swans shut down?
We had emails while in asia breaking the news slowly, had a little meeting with our padre to discuss it as well(he has a sense of humour so he counselled us)
They can try all they want, but the clubs will remain and the seedyness will still exist somewhere. where theres seedy, theres sailor.

 

[StevoJH]

The dumbest part is how long RAN was there first, and the pier was the NAVY GYM for crying out loud! Never should have sold the pier to devlopers, instead turning into Defence accomadation. Id rather have woken up each day on the harbour then homebush...o wait, i moved to north shore and do anyway to avoid yuppies...ha

Finger Wharf?

Could have been useful in a couple of years time if kept. I'm assuming space might get a bit tight on GI once the AWD's, ANZAC II, Choules & the Canberra's all arrive. Since even though some of the ships will be based over in WA, they will all be much larger ships then what they replace.

Plus Sirius and Success will be due for replacement in ~10 years.

 

[icelord]

Finger Wharf?

Could have been useful in a couple of years time if kept. I'm assuming space might get a bit tight on GI once the AWD's, ANZAC II, Choules & the Canberra's all arrive. Since even though some of the ships will be based over in WA, they will all be much larger ships then what they replace.

Plus Sirius and Success will be due for replacement in ~10 years.

Plus we will need a lotta room to berth everyone come 100th Anniversary international fleet review. The pics from the bicentenial are funny enough, with ships berthed at finger wharf, then 2 deep from harrys to the Battleship at 1. then 3 deep on the island...if they fight us for use of GI where we going to put all our guests... Port botany and cirqular quay?