Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[ASSAIL]

Can’t you just dial up a P8, or a loyal wingman or 2, with a few Mk46 ?
And , in the future, won’t we have UAV‘s on most, if not all ships, including Arafura OPV, which could drop a few sonobuoys
So, network effects, loss of one asset doesn’t denigrate the network

No.
Fixed wing aircraft such as the P8 conduct their searches well away from a task group either ahead along the line of advance or in focal choke points.
Sonar buoys need to be dropped in patterns and then monitored, in the case of a P3B (I’m not current with a P8) the search area can cover 30000 square miles, the MHR-60s considerably less (again I’m unaware of their search patterns)
UAV’s won’t have the payload or monitoring sensors and OPVs will not be equipped for ASW and even if they were they are I’ll suited to TF operations. Being a truck for a few sonar buoys is useless.

 

[Git_Kraken]

Article on the first test block for the Hunter class.

Interesting that they mention 24VLS and Sea Ceptor. Did someone mix up the T26/CSC or have Australia changed their tune on loadout?

 

[Redlands18]

Article on the first test block for the Hunter class.

Interesting that they mention 24VLS and Sea Ceptor. Did someone mix up the T26/CSC or have Australia changed their tune on loadout?

I think the mix up is more likely going on that article, the quotes on the weapons fit sounded more generic to the Type 26 and the Author is still quoting the 8800t and 150m, when we have confirmation that the Hunter will be bigger.

 

[Tasman]

I think the mix up is more likely going on that article, the quotes on the weapons fit sounded more generic to the Type 26 and the Author is still quoting the 8800t and 150m, when we have confirmation that the Hunter will be bigger.

Agreed. Also the article is 3 years old so it definitely does not reflect current planning by the RAN.

Tas

 

[Pusser01]

No.
Fixed wing aircraft such as the P8 conduct their searches well away from a task group either ahead along the line of advance or in focal choke points.
Sonar buoys need to be dropped in patterns and then monitored, in the case of a P3B (I’m not current with a P8) the search area can cover 30000 square miles, the MHR-60s considerably less (again I’m unaware of their search patterns)
UAV’s won’t have the payload or monitoring sensors and OPVs will not be equipped for ASW and even if they were they are I’ll suited to TF operations. Being a truck for a few sonar buoys is useless.

Just as an aside to this, the Anzacs were in the process of getting an upgrade just as I was leaving in 2011, to allow them to receive & monitor data from sonar-buoys. I don't know if this has been rolled out onto the Hobarts, cheers.

 

[Git_Kraken]

Agreed. Also the article is 3 years old so it definitely does not reflect current planning by the RAN.

Tas

The article was written this week. The articles they link in the body reference a number of older ones on the site.

 

[Tasman]

The article was written this week. The articles they link in the body reference a number of older ones on the site.

My point is that the linked article referring to the VLS and Sea Ceptor was written 3 years ago. I am not disputing that the main article is recent.
Tas

 

[Trackmaster]

My point is that the linked article referring to the VLS and Sea Ceptor was written 3 years ago. I am not disputing that the main article is recent.
Tas

To me, the VLS and Sea Ceptor paragraph was a straight copy and paste out of a document referring to the Royal Navy version. Again, to me, looks like lazy work from someone in the "Communications" Department.

 

[Massive]

And a reminder that the RAN has many other missions to build and train for that does not involve hauling the Army's gear from point A to point B. Just sayin'.

The ARG looks a lot like a whole of ADF effort - and that is for a battlegroup centred on a single battalion (4 maneuver elements).

Which shows how hard it is to generate this kind of capability - and how few countries are likely to be able to do so.

Regards,

Massive

 

[Stampede]

The ARG looks a lot like a whole of ADF effort - and that is for a battlegroup centred on a single battalion (4 maneuver elements).

Which shows how hard it is to generate this kind of capability - and how few countries are likely to be able to do so.

Regards,

Massive

The scenario that interests me the most is a landing force based on a single LHD with escorts.
The premise is that the flight deck and combined hangar / vehicle deck are aviation focused.
Should be about 24 helicopters with around 350 Pax in support.

This would leave approximately 700 bunks for Army and whatever combination of vehicles you would want to deploy housed within the heavy vehicle deck and landing craft.

As a maneuver force of influence in the littoral environment, I can envisage many scenarios for it's deployment.
A small combat team with large maritime and aviation support.

Not an insignificant package.

Regards S

 

[spoz]

The contractual structure was quite normal for a capability acquisition of this complexity. If you’re involved as customer or supplier, you need to have a very clear understanding of the contractual position at all times, and what that implies in respect of how it constrains, or does not constrain, the other party.

 

[Tasman]

Not strictly an RAN post but a valuable asset to Australia's maritime security, the Australian Antarctic Division's new icebreaker, RSV Nuyina, arrived in her home port of Hobart for the first time a few moments ago.

Unfortunately, she arrived on a bleak, cloudy, windswept morning during the first lockdown in Tasmania this year so the nearest I could get for a photo opportunity was the deck of my house several kilometres away.

Tas

 

[Joe Black]

Hey folks, just a question about painting the mast black. I have noticed that they have painted the mast on the Canberra class black, and now it appears that HMAS Ballarat has a main mast painted black as well. I wonder what would be the reason to do so.

As a reference, here's a new RAN video just posted a day ago:

 

[oldsig127]

Hey folks, just a question about painting the mast black. I have noticed that they have painted the mast on the Canberra class black, and now it appears that HMAS Ballarat has a main mast painted black as well. I wonder what would be the reason to do so.

As a reference, here's a new RAN video just posted a day ago:

It's probably either in homage to Joe Black, DT member, or more likely to hide the mess that exhaust from the funnels makes.

oldsig

 

[seaspear]

Is there any possibility the LOTE program for the Collins class undertaken by SAAB could involve cutting in half the submarine to add further compartments and actually lengthening the submarines?
There are articles SAAB has performed this on the Gotland class to add further capability,is this an opportunity to add further capabilities to this class

Will Saab expertise bolster the Collins upgrade program? - Australian Defence Magazine

As Defence looks to undertake a major upgrade program of its Collins-class submarines to bridge the gap with RAN’s future nuclear-powered submarine capability, one company already has a wealth of expe...

www.australiandefence.com.au

Submarine Upgrade Will Extend Australian Navy’s Collins Class To 2048 - Naval News

Hints are emerging as to what the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) might be planning for their Collins Class submarines. They are often regarded as among the best long-range non-nuclear submarines in the World. Bit they require upgrades to keep them up there until 2048 when nuclear boats are expected...

www.navalnews.com

 

[spoz]

Once upon a time the upper par of masts of ships in commission was painted black (ships in reserve had that area painted white). Masts collect soot from engine exhaust, whatever the type of engine, it’s unavoidable. If you look at photos of ANZACs from a couple of years ago you will see their masts look grubby; a fact commented on in a disapproving fashion here, including by me. They have seen the light and chosen to revert to the earlier approach to make the ships look cleaner.

 

[Tasman]

Grounding of the RAN's MH-60R Seahawks has been lifted:

Fleet-wide Romeo grounding lifted after aircraft lost at sea - CONTACT magazine

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Tas

 

[Systems Adict]

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[aussienscale]

Grounding of the RAN's MH-60R Seahawks has been lifted:

Fleet-wide Romeo grounding lifted after aircraft lost at sea - CONTACT magazine

Share the post "Fleet-wide Romeo grounding lifted after aircraft lost at sea" FacebookLinkedInPinterestTwitterShare…Email The Royal Australian Navy has lifted temporary

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Tas

Ok so that is interesting and a little perplexing !!

"Rear Admiral Hammond didn’t say what the cause of the accident was – just that it wasn’t a maintenance or mechanical"

If that is a direct quote, verbatim, curious ?

 

[hauritz]

Is there any possibility the LOTE program for the Collins class undertaken by SAAB could involve cutting in half the submarine to add further compartments and actually lengthening the submarines?
There are articles SAAB has performed this on the Gotland class to add further capability,is this an opportunity to add further capabilities to this class

Will Saab expertise bolster the Collins upgrade program? - Australian Defence Magazine

As Defence looks to undertake a major upgrade program of its Collins-class submarines to bridge the gap with RAN’s future nuclear-powered submarine capability, one company already has a wealth of expe...

www.australiandefence.com.au

Submarine Upgrade Will Extend Australian Navy’s Collins Class To 2048 - Naval News

Hints are emerging as to what the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) might be planning for their Collins Class submarines. They are often regarded as among the best long-range non-nuclear submarines in the World. Bit they require upgrades to keep them up there until 2048 when nuclear boats are expected...

www.navalnews.com

The scope of the LOTE is yet to be announced but I imagine it involves either refurbishing or replacing engines, generators, batteries, plumbing and other running gear. If they are also talking about adding 12 meter plugs surely that is virtually redesigning and reconfiguring the entire submarine. If it gets to that stage you would have to wonder whether or not you may as well just build new subs.