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In fact, the replacement of the Anzacs and Collins classes MAY have been delayed in order to facilitate this shipbuilding plan.
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In fact, the replacement of the Anzacs and Collins classes MAY have been delayed in order to facilitate this shipbuilding plan.
Doesn't matter, choose you words carefully because using IN FACT and MAY in the same sentence in a statement like that make it an authoritative statement, meaning that there could be some semblance of fact behind it. It leaves you open to all sorts of criticism and if the claim is spurious it negatively impacts upon the credibility of the forum. That the Moderators won't tolerate and is why we jump on some posts and don't tolerate others.
Spotted this on the ABC site the other day regarding a new port just out or Darwin near Glyde Point.
Secret plans for new port outside Darwin to accommodate US Marines
I have no knowledge of this, or the local area, so are interested if anyone has any additional information, or maybe some feed back on this potential development.
Regards S
Secret plans for new port outside Darwin to accommodate US Marines
I have no knowledge of this, or the local area, so are interested if anyone has any additional information, or maybe some feed back on this potential development.
Regards S
Looks interesting and if the PRC get their knickers in a twist about it and start spitting the dummy, how sad, to bad, never mind. That'd be interfering in the internal affairs of another nation me thinks, especially if it's a commercial venture. They squeal like stuck pigs when someone ventures near areas that they've stolen and pillaged, so they'll just have to take a concrete, pill harden up, build a bridge and get over it.
weegee
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I saw this on twitter tonight.
What a beautiful site it is to see the 2 big girls and their craft out in the open ocean doing their thing.
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What a beautiful site it is to see the 2 big girls and their craft out in the open ocean doing their thing.
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There was two rumours going around some time back, a survey team was asked what they were doing there, and gave a reply about a "prawn farm" then the new Port Facility rumours started at the same time.....I'm guessing it was about 2 years ago I first heard both rumours.
Sometimes rumours come true and other times not.
At this stage, do we just call it a "Tactical Prawn Farm"
I'm not familiar with Darwin but I can see merit in the concept.
Suggest though it would take some serious coin to make it work.
Is this money well spent?
Thoughts!
Regards S
Personally, I hope its true, I thought the 99 year lease was a terrible idea by the CLP. It just adds that China can own and operate their own cattle stations, move them to their Port via their transport company, ship them to China on their ships.....free trade in deed, free to trade with themselves!
A new Port is a must for defence reasons, and the build would provide a good boost for the NT provided we build it, not the Yanks.
There would be some resistance by some groups, and it is at the mouth of the Adelaide river, which is an important system for tourism and recreational fishers as well. But harbours usually provide some benefits for fishos to.....the area is pretty shallow really, so there would need to be some serious dredging and wall construction, and I could see a local build being a drawn out process, to keep employment ticking over. Be a great asset, but also unneeded if the Port of Darwin was not leased in the first place.
Great photo. Worth a visit to the fleet commander's twitter page to see this and other great images of Adelaide and Canberra during Sea Explorer 19:
Commander Australian Fleet (@COMAUSFLT) | Twitter.
Tas
We can't afford to accelerate the frigate and submarine programs, to do so would be to repeat the mistakes of the past and return to the boom or bust cycles of the past, with its black holes, block obsolescence, and waste.
Ideally the OPCs would have followed the ANZACs out of Williamstown, followed in turn by the DDG replacements, FFG replacements and then full circle, the ANZAC replacement. The only stuff up we would have had to persist with would be the FFGUP as without that there would have been an unacceptable capability gap, unless of course we bought the four Kidd class DDGs and ran the four best FFGs on unmodified.
Instead we had black holes, expensively upgraded and developed facilities left dorment or shut down, work forces run down, then greenfield sites developed and work forces created from scratch less than a decade later at great expense, only for the process to be repeated.
We now have a national ship building plan, we just need to stick to it.
Ideally the OPCs would have followed the ANZACs out of Williamstown, followed in turn by the DDG replacements, FFG replacements and then full circle, the ANZAC replacement. The only stuff up we would have had to persist with would be the FFGUP as without that there would have been an unacceptable capability gap, unless of course we bought the four Kidd class DDGs and ran the four best FFGs on unmodified.
Instead we had black holes, expensively upgraded and developed facilities left dorment or shut down, work forces run down, then greenfield sites developed and work forces created from scratch less than a decade later at great expense, only for the process to be repeated.
We now have a national ship building plan, we just need to stick to it.
weegee
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Sorry about that late night brain freeze. As Tasman has already noted it came from the Commander Australian Fleet (@COMAUSFLT) | Twitter page.
Cheers Weege
No probs. Thanks.
old faithful
given your experience and knowledge of the area.
Is Glyde Point.the logical location for a port, or could you suggest another spot.
If this goes ahead it will be a big project taking in many considerations and stake holders from budget to defence needs,cultural and environmental etc.
Certainly will not happen over night, but hopefully done before the 99 year lease runs out!!!!
Maybe the financial recipient of the 99 year lease could contribute to the new port
Thoughts
Regards S
My understanding is (from an ABC news article) that the NT government had the money spent within two years.old faithful
given your experience and knowledge of the area.
Is Glyde Point.the logical location for a port, or could you suggest another spot.
If this goes ahead it will be a big project taking in many considerations and stake holders from budget to defence needs,cultural and environmental etc.
Certainly will not happen over night, but hopefully done before the 99 year lease runs out!!!!
Maybe the financial recipient of the 99 year lease could contribute to the new port
Thoughts
Regards S
Leaving a further 97 years to run on the lease.
I wouldn't have thought that the area would be a natural choice for a harbour , no.old faithful
given your experience and knowledge of the area.
Is Glyde Point.the logical location for a port, or could you suggest another spot.
If this goes ahead it will be a big project taking in many considerations and stake holders from budget to defence needs,cultural and environmental etc.
Certainly will not happen over night, but hopefully done before the 99 year lease runs out!!!!
Maybe the financial recipient of the 99 year lease could contribute to the new port
Thoughts
Regards S
I will require a heap or work, and I mean a HEAP. Big tides, and very fast and strong currents. Also very rocky and shallow. All of these things could be overcome, dredging, building break walls etc, but the amount of work to make it suitable, would be huge. Assail or Volk would have a better idea than me though.
I would have thought it a no brainer to not use for a port. Everything you said plus:
It’s an hour out of Darwin, it’s constrained and very easily mined and it seems a standard ABC beat up.
There was a prison farm in rhe area in days of yore, a much more suitable use.
The NT government has no money, they are billions in debt, they are mendicant, they can’t afford the PS wages and yet they are addicted to spending on stupid projects like roads that are not needed in Darwin and “greening” the city by building canopies over the roads.
They’ve tripled the debt in two and a half years even though they know the revenue from GST is declining as the population falls.
GST makes up 70% of revenue.
Yes it is likely to be the first mainland territory to become a "failed state"
It really is a mess, and seems to be driven by incompetence of government.
Quite a problem for the commonwealth I should think
MB
Update on the Osborne development.. Motoring along..
I have a question for the group; has the RAN or USN openly discussed the idea of a Submarine Launched SAM?
- I am interested in this idea as I assume it could be fitted out on the Attack class in the future.
But I assume the idea has many operational limitations; any opinions are welcome on this topic.
- I am interested in this idea as I assume it could be fitted out on the Attack class in the future.
But I assume the idea has many operational limitations; any opinions are welcome on this topic.
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