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matt00773

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Oberon said:
Fairfax Press ( SHM, The Age, Canberra Times) has just posted on their web-sites that the Type 26 is tipped to win the SEA 5000 tender. Announcement to be made by the end of next week.

Australia tipped to buy British naval frigates in $35 billion deal with old partner
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Australian Financial Review are stating an announcement in Adelaide this Friday:

Austal, ASC tipped to be thrown lifeline for $35b frigate build

Interesting to note also that the Australian Department of Defence organised a trip to UK, France, and Germany for Australian defence industry businesses - including a visit to both Thales UK and BAE Systems UK in Glasgow.

Australian trade mission to visit global defence companies in Europe - Manufacturers' Monthly

They were looking at the Type 26 construction progress as well as BAE Systems digital shipbuilding approach last week:


BAE Systems Maritime on Twitter


https://twitter.com/BAESystemsAus/status/1004873157436694529
 
John Fedup

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Very interesting but until the government confirms, just speculation. I found the comment about greater UK involvement in the Pacific region interesting given the financial constraints and Brexit.
 
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hauritz

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Oberon said:
Fairfax Press ( SHM, The Age, Canberra Times) has just posted on their web-sites that the Type 26 is tipped to win the SEA 5000 tender. Announcement to be made by the end of next week.

Australia tipped to buy British naval frigates in $35 billion deal with old partner
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The author doesn't quote any sources so it might just be speculation on his part.

It wouldn't surprise me however if this decision turned out to be politically motivated in the end.

Over the next few decades, allies will be more important than ships. All the contending ships could do the job, but in the end, Britain has offered to deploy its navy in this region. Even though it is not the power it once was it could be a case of every little bit counts.
 
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How hot are the SC sea waters? Did the T45 problem got solved? Or what ship are they going to send?
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The QE is slated to be doing a "right of navigation" cruise in the SEA area so that'd potentially be a large carrier with a composite wing of UK and USMC F35's with a Type 23 or two and a Type 45. The warm water issues are intended to be off set by a third diesel and will have been performed on at least one Type 45 by the time that comes up. Good photo op, get one of the Hobarts joining the group etc.
 
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StobieWan said:
The QE is slated to be doing a "right of navigation" cruise in the SEA area so that'd potentially be a large carrier with a composite wing of UK and USMC F35's with a Type 23 or two and a Type 45. The warm water issues are intended to be off set by a third diesel and will have been performed on at least one Type 45 by the time that comes up. Good photo op, get one of the Hobarts joining the group etc.
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I would enjoy seeing the Brits more involved in the Asia Pacific region but it does beg the question of opportunity cost.
With such a limited number of escorts and such a large number of commitments in other parts of the world this could only be achieved with a substantial increase in escort ships. Clearly, taking a T45 and a couple of T23s away from the Western Hemisphere leaves a very thin line.
Another OPV escorting a Russian TG through the Channel is on the cards.
 
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I would enjoy seeing the Brits more involved in the Asia Pacific region but it does beg the question of opportunity cost.
With such a limited number of escorts and such a large number of commitments in other parts of the world this could only be achieved with a substantial increase in escort ships. Clearly, taking a T45 and a couple of T23s away from the Western Hemisphere leaves a very thin line.
Another OPV escorting a Russian TG through the Channel is on the cards.
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I guess that is what makes the type 31 so important. In the end the number of hulls in the water have a quality all of their own.

Realistically the UK needs around 30 escorts if it is going to deploy regularly in this part of the globe.
 
John Fedup

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The RCN’s frigates operate with USN carriers and the RAN probably does this as well. No reason why RAN and RCN frigates couldn’t assist the RN with escorts. The USN would likely lend support as well for a QE Pacific deployment.
 
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StobieWan said:
The QE is slated to be doing a "right of navigation" cruise in the SEA area so that'd potentially be a large carrier with a composite wing of UK and USMC F35's with a Type 23 or two and a Type 45. The warm water issues are intended to be off set by a third diesel and will have been performed on at least one Type 45 by the time that comes up. Good photo op, get one of the Hobarts joining the group etc.
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I think a Hobart joining is likely.

They will be keen to benchmark against UK capabilities and sort out inter-operability issues. These days I wouldn't expect the RAN to turn down or not participate in any activity in the region.

Quite surprised regarding the activity about the type 26 and the UK visit. I would gauge that as a real sign they are in the running still.
 
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I think a Hobart joining is likely.

They will be keen to benchmark against UK capabilities and sort out inter-operability issues. These days I wouldn't expect the RAN to turn down or not participate in any activity in the region.

Quite surprised regarding the activity about the type 26 and the UK visit. I would gauge that as a real sign they are in the running still.
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I could see a joint RN/RAN TF happening and i don't think anyone on here would be too upset to see the QE sail through Sydney Heads afterwards
 
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hauritz

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StingrayOZ said:
I think a Hobart joining is likely.

They will be keen to benchmark against UK capabilities and sort out inter-operability issues. These days I wouldn't expect the RAN to turn down or not participate in any activity in the region.

Quite surprised regarding the activity about the type 26 and the UK visit. I would gauge that as a real sign they are in the running still.
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I think this will be a very close competition and I wouldn't be surprised no matter who comes out on top. I am reminded a little bit about the SEA 1000 competition in which everybody assumed that the Soryo design was going to win right up until it didn't.

Could go the same way with the F-5000.
 
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I think this will be a very close competition and I wouldn't be surprised no matter who comes out on top. I am reminded a little bit about the SEA 1000 competition in which everybody assumed that the Soryo design was going to win right up until it didn't.

Could go the same way with the F-5000.
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Agree as there appears to no bad options in the contenders form both the vessel capability and the proposed industry packages. But, like others, I refuse to predict the outcome.
 
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I could see a joint RN/RAN TF happening and i don't think anyone on here would be too upset to see the QE sail through Sydney Heads afterwards
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I think Perth is a given, I think Boris mentioned as much. Sydney would be nice. It is always nice to see big ships in the harbor. It's been a long time between UK carrier visits to Sydney.

The sea5000 decision has to be imminent. All are viable contenders, I would be surprised if Australia probably has a lot of information about the 3 very good options. That the end result features of all three may be looked at being in-cooperated into the winning design. Its a tough decision because all 3 have strengths.
 
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