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Todjaeger
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Hopefully not. IIRC the RAN already had a River-class DE in service from the late 50's until the late 90's.
However, it would seem appropriate to re-use the ship names of vessels that had been used for the River-class DE and then name the RAN examples of the Mogami-class after one of them. The Derwent-class or Torrens-class might work and depending on if/when HMAS Parramatta or HMAS Stuart (both ANZAC-class frigates currently in commission) are withdrawn from service these names could both get recycled as well as used as the class name.
Conroy mentioned in the initial announcement the CMS is a Lockheed Martin product so I'd say an english version probably already exists (a version of CMS 330?).
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Going Boeing
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As Perth was associated with a destroyer previously, I’d prefer that it be named on a future AWD destroyer in addition to the Hobarts. Capital city names should be reserved for capital ships.
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I also like Fitzroy, but that's just me.
Certainly the rivers have a long history as namesakes, from at least 1910.
Well, SSN AUKUS is technically planned to displace more than Hunter, so I hope that tracks as 'capital' enough.
I've grown to like Hunter, Tasman and Flinders. They 'sound' right for Australian warships, which is no bad thing - just a shame there's no RAN history there (IIRC). Rest of the class might wind up with traditional and place names like some of the Anzacs.
I'm betting there's never another Tobruk though. I suspect naming ships after places in other countries is controversial now.
1884 with the Victorian torpedo boat HMVS Napean.
Here's some examples of names I'd like to see given to RAN ships
Captain Stanley Darling (HMAS Darling)
Captain Harry Leslie Howden (HMAS Howden)
Rear Admiral Galfrey George Ormond Gatacre (HMAS Gatacre)
Vice Admiral Sir Henry Mackay Burrell (HMAS Burrell)
Midshipman Robert Ian Davies (HMAS Davies)
Captain Allan Paterson Cousin (HMAS Cousin)
Rear Admiral William John Dovers (HMAS Dovers)
Third Officer Ruby Boye (HMAS Boye)
Vice Admiral Sir Wilfred Hastings Harrington (HMAS Harrington)
Lieutenant Commander Arthur Henry Callaway (HMAS Callaway)
Lieutenant Commander Kenneth Robert Hudspeth (HMAS Hudspeth)
Lieutenant Commander James Collier Buchanan (HMAS Buchanan)
Commodore John Malet Armstrong (HMAS Armstrong)
Rear Admiral John Saumarez Dumaresq (HMAS Dumaresq)
If anyone would like information about these people they should all have information about their careers and actions online. Otherwise I'd be happy to explain my reasoning for listing them.
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WWI River class destroyers, WWII River and Bay class frigates, Type 12 DEs, and most recently our mine hunters and one of the Anzacs had river names.
Lots of historical names to choose from.
I'd still love to see another Swordsman, but it's probably beyond time for Voyager, Vampire and Vendetta. Maybe the first three from Japan, then Ns for the first five Australian built ships.
Lots of historical names to choose from.
I'd still love to see another Swordsman, but it's probably beyond time for Voyager, Vampire and Vendetta. Maybe the first three from Japan, then Ns for the first five Australian built ships.
Article in the Newcastle Herald.
‘Newcastle is being considered as the maintenance destination for the nations new multi-billion dollar fleet of frigates’.
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‘Newcastle is being considered as the maintenance destination for the nations new multi-billion dollar fleet of frigates’.
Rest is behind a paywall.
Appreciating the history behind the S, V&W, N and Q class names I'd love to see other more neglected elements of RAN history get what I'd consider well earned attention.
I know it's a little way into the future, but if/when we end up with 20 surface combatants, do FBE & FBW actually have sufficient space (or potential) for them all? Given the possibility (??) of an east coast SSN base, do some of the Mogamis, for instance, find a home there too? Sounds like a lot of $$$$
iambuzzard
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Volks, the trick is to come up with the right name for the lead ship of the class. After that, it doesnt need to stick to a theme although it would nice. Just as long as they're deserving. The ship will always be known as the name of the lead ship, HMAS Anzac being a prime example.
iambuzzard
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Maybe we need a southern base halfway between FBW and FBE. We already have Darwin up north.
Ironically, two Second WW Mogami class heavy cruisers were largely responsible for the sinking of HMAS Perth in the Sunda Straight.
Probably too soon for another 'Perth' class.
Still getting my head around the fact that the 2 final contenders for SEA 3000 were Japanese and German. Grateful that times have changed and they are now friends and allies.
We need another major East coast base, Brisbane maybe.
FBW + FBE for frigates, destroyers and anything larger.
Darwin, Cairns and Townsville for Patrol boats, Opvs and Landing Craft Etc.
I wonder if this is a theme that goes with the strategy of the eventual east coast submarine base. If I remember Newcastle was one of the proposed sub sites. Makes sense to build a submarine facility that can also support surface ships, spreads the costs.
FBW has a lot of wharf space, particularly with Henderson coming online for maintenance, so I would have thought it is fine for say six-eight new frigates.
Where though? Carrington or somewhere along the Hunter River/South or North channel?
I don’t think civmec Newcastle is a possibility unless they move and build a similar shed like the one at Henderson.
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StevoJH
The Bunker Group
A large part of the old BHP steelworks site is still empty isn’t it? It also has a large river frontage.
Directly north of the coal piles, is that Carrington or Mayfield East?
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Yup, Mayfield East. down the south channel.
Other channel(north), forward of the Stockton bridge is also pretty bare. The channel has a wider entry and might have less traffic + might be an easier spot to build on with more room to grow.
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Batches, Vs for the first three, N for the next five and Q for the five after that.
Yes I believe we will end up with more than 11, these are really flexible, game changing ships.
Look not just at the cancelled corvettes from the 90s, look at the multirole combatants from the Rudd era white paper, 20 plus ships to replace PBs Mine hunters and hydro ships. Mogami is the type of ship we would have been looking to as a replacement for these had they been built.
These are modern day sloops.