Royal Australian Air Force [RAAF] News, Discussions and Updates

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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Which as I understand it is the reason for the tightly controlled shredding of the F-111 engines and the burying of many of the airframes...the ones that didn't go to museums.
when the orions went through their upgrade I worked as a contractor for a military cable and connector supplier - we had indian companies ringing up asking whether they could buy the old runs so as to upgrade their IL-38 Mays (which immediately raised the eyebrows as to how much of the P3's had been copied by the Soviets)

we declined as FMS and ITARs restrictions disallowed it

we then had chinese scrap metal companies (LOL) ringing up and asking whether they could build harnesses for us, and that if we could send them samples, they could lower the cost to 1/30th of what we were paying to build them in house.

we declined as FMS and ITARs restrictions disallowed it


get the ITARs bit wrong and the US will exercise their right to send you to prison for a long long long long time. doesn't matter where you live, break ITARs and they'll come for you.

Wookie (another DefPro) and I worked on a project to transfer USN tech into Australia, the amount of paperwork and constraints in place were legion.

when its FMS and ITARs you don't allow accidents to happen.
 

ADMk2

Just a bloke
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Bloody hell! Why was that?
Probably due to ITARS attempting to sell them was more trouble than it was worth.

We sold 2 telemetry missiles, plus equipment to South Korea to allow them to test the water so to speak to see if they would be interested in the capability, but that apparently went nowhere.

Why the RAAF didn't just have the world's biggest precision guided missile 'yippee shoot' though is unknown.

Instead they just blew the lot (probably at Woomera) and let our 'ginger beers' get a training activity in destroying live ordnance...
 

ADMk2

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Wasn't it because the integration was long and drawn out to the point that when they were finally ready for the Pig, retirement of the jet was on the cards? I don't believe the weapon was suitable for release from Classic Hornets, hence the need to discard the stocks. It appeared to be a rather large and heavy/cumbersome weapon (IIRC we got the PEP3 AGM-142 version).
Still doesn't explain why the RAAF couldn't have got a huge training benefit from firing them off at a 'wartime rate' of firing of PGM's, instead of just blowing the lot of them up...
 

gf0012-aust

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Still doesn't explain why the RAAF couldn't have got a huge training benefit from firing them off at a 'wartime rate' of firing of PGM's, instead of just blowing the lot of them up...

yep, another Pong Su would have been ideal training
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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Could have been a good sink-ex for Adelaide and Canberra they would still been fine as artificial reefs but probably no good as dive wrecks.
 

SpazSinbad

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Further info about 'training F-35 pilots' - this time Norwegian. Hanche has written some great blog articles about his time with the F-35 but sadly not all have been well translated into English whilst Google Translate can leave a lot of 'xyvggetc' ???? Date: 27 Mar 2017
"...AHF: In the future, what will training look like for a Norwegian F-35 pilot, starting with initial training?
Hanche:
“In the future, Norwegian F-35 training will be very similar to what we are currently doing with the F-16. We will send our young cadets through an initial screening program back home, in order to find out if they are able to absorb the training they will receive once in the USA. Following that, and an initial session at the Norwegian Air Force Academy for basic officer’s training, our students will complete basic training on the T-6 Texan II and the T-38 Talon at Sheppard Air Force Base. Following that, our students will be sent to Luke for a longer and more involved basic course.”

AHF: What can you tell us about the syllabus for Norwegian F-35 pilots?
Hanche:
“The syllabus at Luke is tailored to the individual student but is now generally a transition syllabus for pilots coming from different airframes. This syllabus is shortened compared to the basic course syllabus which is designed to accommodate a young and inexperienced pilot, straight from undergraduate pilot training.

In general, the syllabus involves classroom academics, self-study, simulator practice and lastly flying the airplane. The students go through many weeks of ground training and simulator practice before it is time to strap into the jet. The initial training focuses on the basics: How to start up, take off and land. There is also significant emphasis on emergency procedures, in order to prepare the student for a myriad of “what if”-scenarios.

After learning the basics of how to operate the airplane in a pure administrative setting, the syllabus rapidly moves on with tactical employment. We start simple, and gradually build up in intensity and complexity.”

AHF: In what way does training in Luke prepare pilots for the Norwegian theater? What adaptations are needed?
Hanche: “The basic course at Luke will prepare our Norwegian students for the role as a wingman – a pilot who is qualified to fly the entire width of the tactical spectrum in the F-35. However, we will have to add on some aspects when we get our young pilots back home to Norway. One perspective is that the perpetual summer conditions found here in Arizona do not lay the foundation for solid instrument flying procedures. Therefore, we will put significant emphasis on brushing up this basic skill, combined with flying in adverse weather conditions. We do not foresee a checkout requirement for the drag chute, but it still has to be done. Lastly, we will focus on training our young pilots on more specific procedures, like executing NATO Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) missions.”...."
Norwegian F-35 pilot: ‘We are on track’ | AIRHEADSFLY.COM | Aviation Headlines & Features

An example of a good English translation of Hanche re dogfighting the F-35: (scroll down)

«Dogfight» og F-35 (Dogfighting and the F-35) |
 

Milne Bay

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The RAAF is to get four more King Air 350.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/training-simulation/more-king-airs-raaf/

They will be leased from Hawker Pacific.

I thought that some of them might have been disposed of once the C-27 started entering service but apparently they will be consolidated into a single squadron.
From the link:
The fleet is the subject of a review that will likely consolidate operations within one squadron in the near future, possibly at East Sale. However, it is unclear how the new aircraft fit within this plan.

The RAAF declined to answer any further questions on the subject.


Maybe some are for secret squirrel business :)
MB
 

blueorchid

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Air Force’s ‘secret’ King Air deal
30 Mar 2017
Nigel Pittaway | Melbourne

In an unannounced deal, the Royal Australian Air Force is acquiring four new Beechcraft King Air 350 aircraft to train Air Force Air Combat Officers and Navy Aviation Warfare Officers (AvWOs) at East Sale.
The aircraft, equipped with the latest Rockwell Collins Proline 21 avionics suite, are being leased from Hawker Pacific and are already at Bankstown. They will be progressively delivered through 2017.
Air Force already has eight King Airs for this purpose, with 32 Squadron at East Sale and ADM understands a further four will be acquired next year to completely replace the older aircraft, which have the earlier Proline 2 cockpit.

“It is not clear whether the proposed fleet consolidation will now go ahead.”

Eight Proline 21-equipped King Airs also serve with 38 Squadron and are currently based at Townsville in the light transport role. All 16 are leased from Hawker Pacific.
Air Force has previously mooted a consolidation of its King Air fleet – most likely at East Sale – as the leases on the earlier aircraft expire between now and 2018. If it were to go ahead, the withdrawal of Defence-operated assets from North Queensland has the potential to become a political football and is understandably a sensitive issue.
It is not clear whether the proposed fleet consolidation will now go ahead, however, and ADM’s request for information from Defence’s media operations centre in Canberra has largely fallen on deaf ears. Despite several requests over a two week period, the only response has been a three-sentence statement, attributed to a Defence spokesperson, which confirmed that four aircraft are being acquired and will be operated by 32 Squadron.
The spokesperson said that the new aircraft are being leased through the current sustainment program managed by CASG.

Cheers
 

ngatimozart

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More.

Air Force’s ‘secret’ King Air deal
30 Mar 2017
Nigel Pittaway | Melbourne

In an unannounced deal, the Royal Australian Air Force is acquiring four new Beechcraft King Air 350 aircraft to train Air Force Air Combat Officers and Navy Aviation Warfare Officers (AvWOs) at East Sale.
The aircraft, equipped with the latest Rockwell Collins Proline 21 avionics suite, are being leased from Hawker Pacific and are already at Bankstown. They will be progressively delivered through 2017.
Air Force already has eight King Airs for this purpose, with 32 Squadron at East Sale and ADM understands a further four will be acquired next year to completely replace the older aircraft, which have the earlier Proline 2 cockpit.

“It is not clear whether the proposed fleet consolidation will now go ahead.”

Eight Proline 21-equipped King Airs also serve with 38 Squadron and are currently based at Townsville in the light transport role. All 16 are leased from Hawker Pacific.
Air Force has previously mooted a consolidation of its King Air fleet – most likely at East Sale – as the leases on the earlier aircraft expire between now and 2018. If it were to go ahead, the withdrawal of Defence-operated assets from North Queensland has the potential to become a political football and is understandably a sensitive issue.
It is not clear whether the proposed fleet consolidation will now go ahead, however, and ADM’s request for information from Defence’s media operations centre in Canberra has largely fallen on deaf ears. Despite several requests over a two week period, the only response has been a three-sentence statement, attributed to a Defence spokesperson, which confirmed that four aircraft are being acquired and will be operated by 32 Squadron.
The spokesperson said that the new aircraft are being leased through the current sustainment program managed by CASG.

Cheers
Can you please provide a link to the source and not cut / copy and paste more than 10% of articles. It protects both the forum and you from accusations of plagiarism and / or copyright breaches.
 

ADMk2

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From the link:
The fleet is the subject of a review that will likely consolidate operations within one squadron in the near future, possibly at East Sale. However, it is unclear how the new aircraft fit within this plan.

The RAAF declined to answer any further questions on the subject.


Maybe some are for secret squirrel business :)
MB
It's not that secret. It was in the Integrated Investment Program that 'x' number of King Airs were going to be equipped with surveillance capability and a modular SIGINT system.

No specific details, but I heard at Avalon it will comprise a Wescam EO/IR system and an extensive antenna fitout for the SIGINT system...
 

SpazSinbad

Active Member
This report about the Shornet Family environmental control sytem (ECS) problems goes here because it is the first instance I have seen with mention of the RAAF F/A-18 Hornet incident. Other threads (F-35 for one) have seen articles about OBOGS so this article is relevant obliquely but about the Hornets all up.

Navy F/A-18s face persistent oxygen issue 30 Mar 2017 Leigh Giangreco
"The US Navy is still struggling to find the root cause of the hypoxia issue plaguing the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and E/A-18G Growler, service leadership told House Armed Services Committee members this week. The service’s Boeing F/A-18s are experiencing a dangerous crew cabin pressure issue, while the newer variants may have possible oxygen contamination....

...The US Navy is also taking part in an investigation into an air contamination incident on an [ROYAL] Australian Air Force F/A-18. During that incident, both the pilot and ground crews who sat in the aircraft’s cockpit and breathed air from the system experienced dizziness and degraded cognitive ability for a half hour. The navy suspects lubricants and engine fluids might have seeped into the oxygen generation system, though the process is not fully understood....

...The Navy still isn’t sure why the Growler experienced a higher PE [physiological episodes] event rate over other F/A-18 variants, though Moran points out the EA-18G’s electronics put a greater strain on the ECS system. Boeing will examine one of the Growler’s ECS systems and the Navy has already changed a restrictor plate on the aircraft to increase the airflow to the avionics that helps control its pressurisation issues, Moran says."
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/navy-fa-18s-face-persistent-oxygen-issue-435731/
 
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This report about the Shornet Family environmental control sytem (ECS) problems goes here because it is the first instance I have seen with mention of the RAAF F/A-18 Hornet incident. Other threads (F-35 for one) have seen articles about OBOGS so this article is relevant obliquely but about the Hornets all up.

Navy F/A-18s face persistent oxygen issue 30 Mar 2017 Leigh Giangreco

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/navy-fa-18s-face-persistent-oxygen-issue-435731/
Thanks SpazSinbad. Concerning..

Is is possible this related to the previously publicised F-22 oxygen-related issue? Haven't heard anything on that for a while.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
GF posted (#2161)a link on the US navy thread about this issue. The F-22 problem was traced to a weak valve. The SH and Hornets seem to have several different issues going back for quite a few years. I posted on the RCAF thread that our airforce doesn't think it is a big deal...duh
 
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