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old faithful

The Bunker Group
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Lmao.

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I got two unrelated questions, and both extremely different from each other.

1. To deploy a full fighter squadron, do you need three in total (for the whole concept with one deployed for every three total)? Or is it just two?

and

2. My friend is currently looking at becoming a fighter pilot (more than looking) he has joined the cadets and everything. And I have been explaining to him the benefits of going to the ADFA and then RMC together, instead of just a uni in our area (he is talking about going to Griffith Uni for a Bachelor of Aviation) and then RMC.

What is the benefits of going to a regular uni/ADFA (his main reason is to get more time with his friends and family)? As I hear the time spent at the RMC can be cut down if you've been to the ADFA. Is this true?
RMC only trains Army. Also, at some stage, an officer must have a degree. RMC does not provide that level of education. Thats where ADFA cmes into it. ADFA is tri-service. Thats where your "mate" needs to go to become a RAAF pilot.
 

Bonza

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The JSOW-ER is still in dvelopment, it isn't a proper missile either, more like a boosted glide weapon if that makes sense? It would take forever to fly it's stated range by missile standards and would seem to have very little ability to maneuvre in the face of potential threats.

ADF updated it's Harpoon missile stocks to the Block II version a couple of years back and since then has only bought Block II variants. Whilst it has some la d attack capability I doubt it would be a preferred option.



I'm pretty sure the Supers are intended to get SDB in a few years and these have significant standoff range and will improve our strike capability, plus they are intended to get our new anti-ship missile system in a few years which may have significant land attack depending on the chosen system, but otherwise I doubt things will change much.

It's not as if the 130k ranged JSOW is bad. It remains the longest ranged air launched weapon we've ever had in-service IIRC (until JASSM anyway)...
AD, thanks for the information, particularly for calling my attention to the difference between travel time for boosted glide weapons and true missiles, I hadn't thought about that before, silly me...

And I agree with you re the Supers and particularly JSOW, thought it was a marvelous acquisition. Sorry it's taken me a while to respond to you, things are a bit all over the place at the moment, as they're bound to get from time to time. :)
 

Kirkzzy

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RMC only trains Army. Also, at some stage, an officer must have a degree. RMC does not provide that level of education. Thats where ADFA cmes into it. ADFA is tri-service. Thats where your "mate" needs to go to become a RAAF pilot.
Aah, right. But if he were to go to say a local uni and then into the RAAF, would he still have to go through ADFA?
 

old faithful

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Aah, right. But if he were to go to say a local uni and then into the RAAF, would he still have to go through ADFA?
Nup. If he had a degree, he could then apply to become a RAAF Pilot. Depending on how he went would decide wether he became a truckie or fighter pilot.
 

Kirkzzy

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Nup. If he had a degree, he could then apply to become a RAAF Pilot. Depending on how he went would decide wether he became a truckie or fighter pilot.
Cheers, thanks for that. Helped a lot.

I am guessing though the ADFA offers the benefit of getting payed to go to uni however ;)
 

south

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and 4 years of A*** pain...

And a guaranteed job even if he fails RAAF pilot, they will hang onto him for 3-4 years doing menial tasks to get some return on investment.....
 

hairyman

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On a change of subject, whatever happened to Global Hawks for the RAAF? I expected an order for these or similar craft years ago.
 

ADMk2

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On a change of subject, whatever happened to Global Hawks for the RAAF? I expected an order for these or similar craft years ago.

Former Defmin Joel Fitzgibbon decided that ADF couldn't manage that project given the large scale re-equipping phase ADF is going through, so the project was deferred for several years.

We'll see the P-8A in service before the GH now I suspect...
 

Kirkzzy

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Former Defmin Joel Fitzgibbon decided that ADF couldn't manage that project given the large scale re-equipping phase ADF is going through, so the project was deferred for several years.

We'll see the P-8A in service before the GH now I suspect...
You'd think the GH would have been top priority, seeing as you didn't need pilots and it had extended range and capabilities.
 

ngatimozart

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Just a quick question. Does anybody know if the RAAF has reached a stage where it has a preference for the Caribou replacement yet?
 

ADMk2

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You'd think the GH would have been top priority, seeing as you didn't need pilots and it had extended range and capabilities.
If the maritime version of the GH was ready, then it may well have been a priority but it wasn't and isn't and while it will take a huge part of the ocean surveillance capability load, it won't completely replace the AP-3C in the maritime patrol role and if these aircraft are wearing out (which they are) then it's not hard to see why the P-8A is the priority for introduction to service.

Can't see the GH throwing many lifeboats or sonobouys out if needed...
 

gf0012-aust

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You'd think the GH would have been top priority, seeing as you didn't need pilots and it had extended range and capabilities.
The maritime construct is still based on co-operative flying between manned and unmanned.

the flight profile for them though is different as the requirements are different

eg unmanned is about set flying with hi-lo-ho-lo, racetrack at direction.

if govt hadn't decided to try and save money and shorten the trials then history would be different.

damn shame as both unmanned platforms test results were good.
 

rossfrb_1

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Just a quick question. Does anybody know if the RAAF has reached a stage where it has a preference for the Caribou replacement yet?
I commend to you this article -starting page 40 or thereabouts.
It gives a fairly comprehensive historical background around the trials and tribulations that have been the 'Caribou replacement program'

http://www.adbr.com.au/download/2010/Vol29Nos06-07.pdf

Personally I wonder how good a deal ADF can wangle from the vendor given that the C27J is already known to be the prime choice. Plus the projected savings to be had from plugging into the US supply chain may not be as great given their buy of the C27J wasn't as large as anticipated.
The ability to handle 463L pallets is also now offered by the C-295M I believe.

Is C27J still the way to go?

And here for an update on Air 7000 (global hawk stuff) page 36
http://www.adbr.com.au/download/2010/Vol30No01.pdf

cheers
rb
 

ngatimozart

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I commend to you this article -starting page 40 or thereabouts.
It gives a fairly comprehensive historical background around the trials and tribulations that have been the 'Caribou replacement program'

http://www.adbr.com.au/download/2010/Vol29Nos06-07.pdf

Personally I wonder how good a deal ADF can wangle from the vendor given that the C27J is already known to be the prime choice. Plus the projected savings to be had from plugging into the US supply chain may not be as great given their buy of the C27J wasn't as large as anticipated.
The ability to handle 463L pallets is also now offered by the C-295M I believe.

Is C27J still the way to go?

And here for an update on Air 7000 (global hawk stuff) page 36
http://www.adbr.com.au/download/2010/Vol30No01.pdf

cheers
rb
Thanks rb much appreciated. This is link to the Airbus C295 C295 : the response to current needs | Airbus They say that it can carry 5 x L463 pallets whereas the C27J spartan only 3.5 x L463 pallets (C-27J Spartan Factsheet :: Air-Attack.com) However looking at the C295 its a hard decision. Its thought in the RNZAF thread that the RNZAF will follow the RAAF line. Although the RNZAF will be looking for extra versatility in that it will also want a maritime patrol component as well out of the same airframe and we think with modules being able to be slotted in. This is not a P3K Orion / P8 Poseidon replacement. The NZG polis have finally figured out that with such a large EEZ plus a huge large maritime area of interest / ops they need a medium range capability. This is in the 2010 DWP. Some of us think that if something like the C235 / C295 or the C27J was able to offer a wide range of versatility that included modules for MP / medivac / VIP in a normal transport airframe, then the polis would be keener to acquire one type rather than 2 or 3 separate types.
 
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