Yes, but thats if we get the Hawk Mk128s, what if we don't? Or are we getting them? Was there ever allocation for Hawk Mk128s by the Malaysian government? I'm not quite sure how the procurement procedures work with regards to military spending in Malaysia, was there a rumor regarding this purchase? I don't think the TUDM will get them, but I might be mistaken.renjer said:
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Well, it's not impossible to train with what Malaysia has right now. It's just that it would be more difficult to make the transition to the Sukhois without the benefit of cockpits that are already glassed for it. Pilots would have to make the mental adjustment for the different layout. This is how it's done before open achitecture became available.
That's why I mentioned the simulators for the MiGs. It helped since these were the first Russian aircrafts that the RMAF flew. This time around we are also getting simulators for the Sukhois as part of the purchase.
That's why I mentioned the simulators for the MiGs. It helped since these were the first Russian aircrafts that the RMAF flew. This time around we are also getting simulators for the Sukhois as part of the purchase.
The cockpit layout for SUs will be far different from the Mig. for one, it'll be a glass cockpit configuration and the closest malaysia have to glass cockpit is the hornets. the simulator will be a crucial tools to familiarize the pilots with the cockpit layout.
Yup, agreed and I guess simulators are the way to go, I don't think the TUDM are planning to acquire Hawk Mk 128s anytime soon. I think additional hawks are less pressing than the repeatedly mentioned TUDM need for an AWACS aircraft, though no form orders has been place. Also I assume the replacement of the Sikorsky S61A-4 Nuri would be more vital than new Hawks, especially now since the TUDM service is experiencing trouble operating them, considering the recent crashes.renjer said:Well, it's not impossible to train with what Malaysia has right now. It's just that it would be more difficult to make the transition to the Sukhois without the benefit of cockpits that are already glassed for it. Pilots would have to make the mental adjustment for the different layout. This is how it's done before open achitecture became available.
That's why I mentioned the simulators for the MiGs. It helped since these were the first Russian aircrafts that the RMAF flew. This time around we are also getting simulators for the Sukhois as part of the purchase.
Firstly, i don't think there is plan of arming the hawk with russian one.other than it hasn't been done before (which is risky), i believe the RMAF hawk is not going to be armed other than dumb bomb and AA missile.alexz said:FYi the Hawk is armed only with armerments from the west. So there is no weapons intergration whatsoever between russian and western equipments in TUDM.
secondly, the source code is another important factor.it's surprising if UK permits russian weapons on their plane.
I'm perplexed for the current MAF procurement plan.there seems to be a lot of ongoing plans but with Abdullah holding the allocations i see most seems to be wishlist for now.Subangite said:Yup, agreed and I guess simulators are the way to go, I don't think the TUDM are planning to acquire Hawk Mk 128s anytime soon. I think additional hawks are less pressing than the repeatedly mentioned TUDM need for an AWACS aircraft, though no form orders has been place. Also I assume the replacement of the Sikorsky S61A-4 Nuri would be more vital than new Hawks, especially now since the TUDM service is experiencing trouble operating them, considering the recent crashes.
Agreed, the chances for a replacement purchase for the Nuris is higher than that for a LIF or a AEW purchase. The RMAF is quite keen to acquire some CSAR helicopters. Hopefully, they can combined these with their utility transport requirement under one aircraft type. With regards to timing, I don't see anything happening until we get closer to the next LIMA.Subangite said:Yup, agreed and I guess simulators are the way to go, I don't think the TUDM are planning to acquire Hawk Mk 128s anytime soon. I think additional hawks are less pressing than the repeatedly mentioned TUDM need for an AWACS aircraft, though no form orders has been place. Also I assume the replacement of the Sikorsky S61A-4 Nuri would be more vital than new Hawks, especially now since the TUDM service is experiencing trouble operating them, considering the recent crashes.
Also, the GOM is trying to revamp the shareholding structure of NADI. Announcing a Hawk Mk 128 purchase would entrench the existing shareholders as BAe products come under SMEA (?) which is a subsidiary of NADI.
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Agreed, there is a higher likelihood of the Sukhois being armed with Western armaments than the other way around. The Sukhois will have a lot of French avionics (Thales?) and we might see some products from MBDA on them. It would be interesting to see if the AM-39 can be fitted to these aircraft as Malaysia already has experience operating the MM-40 and will also be acquiring the SM-39 for the Scorpenes. The Storm Shadow might be another interesting option. Personally, I would like to see Malaysia acquiring the Russian 3M-54s.mmmbop said:Firstly, i don't think there is plan of arming the hawk with russian one.other than it hasn't been done before (which is risky), i believe the RMAF hawk is not going to be armed other than dumb bomb and AA missile.
secondly, the source code is another important factor.it's surprising if UK permits russian weapons on their plane.
To me the sudden buy of airbus A400 transporters are unwarranted. the C-130's can fly on forever and new C-130's are hugely cheaper than those airbuses. I think its a political buy rather than something thant TUDM aked for. TUDM can also pick the Il-76 made in Usbekistan and it is also a large cargo plane capable of lifting nearly 50tons of cargo. Unless there is a substantial kickbacks offered by airbus...
As for the S-61 replacement, the tested and capable Mi-171 is a good buy at $5Mil a piece. You dont need expensive and advanced helis just to haul cargoes and troops around...
As for the S-61 replacement, the tested and capable Mi-171 is a good buy at $5Mil a piece. You dont need expensive and advanced helis just to haul cargoes and troops around...
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Yep you are correct... part of the Sukhoi's armement would be the MICA from MBDA. Also the avionics is from Thales, the MFD is from Sagem and the EW suite is from Avitronics (South Afrika). So the Sukhoi is wired to fire both the Adder and the MICA for BVR engagements
I think part of the "kickbacks" are offset agreements with CTRM for worldwide component production of the A400M. Similar to the deal with the Hawk Mk 108/208s with SMEA.alexz said:To me the sudden buy of airbus A400 transporters are unwarranted. the C-130's can fly on forever and new C-130's are hugely cheaper than those airbuses. I think its a political buy rather than something thant TUDM aked for. TUDM can also pick the Il-76 made in Usbekistan and it is also a large cargo plane capable of lifting nearly 50tons of cargo. Unless there is a substantial kickbacks offered by airbus...
I remember seeing an article awhile back about the MOD rejecting the MICA as missile choice for the Sukhoi. They must have changed their minds.Ding said:Yep you are correct... part of the Sukhoi's armement would be the MICA from MBDA. Also the avionics is from Thales, the MFD is from Sagem and the EW suite is from Avitronics (South Afrika). So the Sukhoi is wired to fire both the Adder and the MICA for BVR engagements
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Looks like I spoke too soon:
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/National/20060718084436/Article/local1_html
If the RMAF-MOD-GOM chooses the Aermacchi then it will be a split fleet once again for the LIF squadrons. Then again, numbers permitting, a Sukhoi-Aermacchi combination does sound interesting. There is mention in the article of a requirement for a SAR and an MP aircraft as well.
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/National/20060718084436/Article/local1_html
If the RMAF-MOD-GOM chooses the Aermacchi then it will be a split fleet once again for the LIF squadrons. Then again, numbers permitting, a Sukhoi-Aermacchi combination does sound interesting. There is mention in the article of a requirement for a SAR and an MP aircraft as well.
Great news that Malaysia is purchasing new Aermacci trainer aircraft and new frigates, but with regards to their choice in ordering new Aermacci and the current batch of Hawks, wouldn't it make more sense logistically to operate just one type?alexz said:Malaysia will be getting 8 aermacci's, what model is unknown at the moment but it is said that it would complement RMAF's existing aermacci's. So im guessing its the MB-339CD's
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