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ROCK45

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In 2008 one would think something like this couldn't happen but this naval guy in a different forum told me it happens a lot more then people think or even hear about it. Sometimes it goes unreported because the shippers don't what to make public what was on the ship. The cargo is insured as well in most cases so ship owners sometimes only care about getting back there ships it can be complex.

In the information age couldn't these small boats once the pirates are paid off just be followed once safely away from the hijacked ship be nicely taken out? I think after five or six pirate boats are taken out the word would spread and being pirate isn't any fun anymore.

Traps could be set too but only if the pirates aren't tipped off (hint) Some shipments aren't meant to go through customs, its a nasty world we live in.
 
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jimmyttl

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Piracy in Somalia

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/2/nation/22221624&sec=nation

This is interesting. It said pirates along the Somalia coastline are targeting ships based on nationalities i.e. Muslim countries as it contains Halal food rations.

Apparently the pirates have name that sounds rather legitimate like coast guard or maritime navy. lol. So much for PR.

The most interesting part is how Malaysia decides to send in 2 warships with commandos in it when the country itself is advocating neutrality and non-aggression pact, does it mean they will get in there hot and rescue the hostage out ala Israel?
 
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John Sansom

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Go get 'em, Malaysia!! Wait a minute. Is that Canadian frigate on station yet? And what orders is she operating under...precisely, that is?
 
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There is already a thread in the Naval Forum on Piracy.
Moving threads.
 
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John Sansom

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This business of the Ville de Quebec escorting seaborne food and relief supplies to Somali ports as a "sole" function had me scratching my head when I first heard it. If, for instance the VdQ is on escort duty and she and her charge come across pirates attacking another vessel, what's the drill? Hopefully, she'd reach out with whatever armaments and manoeuvres are up to the job, while calling for assistance. The VdQ is a pretty agile vesel and should be able to handle a double-duty scenario without compromising the safety of the vessel under escort (just so long as she doesn't have to report back to Ottawa for permission). Really...I was originally wondering whether her standing orders are open to flexible interpretation in tnis kind of situation.
 
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ampraxius

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i think the Malaysian ships will probably be a warning sign to let our ships and crew go or else we will send in the paskal. If they're true muslims they won't attack ships and loot them for 'halal' meals, especially during ramadhan.

Let's just hope they release the ships and crews well before the navy and paskal are utilise.
 
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nevidimka

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I'm waiting for some action. Lets see how good the Paskal or the navy is in dealing with a real situation. :)


Btw what type of navy ships did the Malaysian Navy send?
 
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ampraxius

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nevidimka said:
I'm waiting for some action. Lets see how good the Paskal or the navy is in dealing with a real situation. :)


Btw what type of navy ships did the Malaysian Navy send?
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I have no idea but most probably frigates gathering from this article here (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...ian_deploys_three_navy_ships_to_Gulf_of_Aden_). Since officially they're not on a rescue mission but rather a more 'monitoring' mission in order to protect other Malaysian ships sailing through.

I would much prefer if the pirates just release the crews if not the ships. If they're unwilling to release the ships then i guess we can just give it to them and 'harpoon' them. But in all seriousness, since this is the holy month of Ramadhan i would hope both signs show some respect and come to a peaceful resolution.

But since they are the aggressors i don't think many Malaysians will have any problem using force to deal with them.
 
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John Sansom

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Whatever the Malaysians do, it will set the precedent for future action in the area. A "robust" action successfuly carried out will more than likley meet with general approval in the public opinion field. The same action unsuccessfully carried out will have the naysayers and handwringers out in force with the pirates being seen as the aggrieved party...and with promises from the rescue and law-of-the-sea enforcement folk never to do anything like that again. True, this is only an opinion, but recent and not-so-recent history has convinced me that this is a more than likely outcome. Let's hope a sensibly "robust" effort is on the Malaysian horizon....and is the yardarm still the final destination for apprehended pirates?
 
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nevidimka

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ampraxius said:
I have no idea but most probably frigates gathering from this article here (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...ian_deploys_three_navy_ships_to_Gulf_of_Aden_). Since officially they're not on a rescue mission but rather a more 'monitoring' mission in order to protect other Malaysian ships sailing through.

I would much prefer if the pirates just release the crews if not the ships. If they're unwilling to release the ships then i guess we can just give it to them and 'harpoon' them. But in all seriousness, since this is the holy month of Ramadhan i would hope both signs show some respect and come to a peaceful resolution.

But since they are the aggressors i don't think many Malaysians will have any problem using force to deal with them.
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Sending frigates would mean a greatly reduced force back home. Coz face it the Malaysian Navy is not teeming with frigates. I think Malaysia has about 2-4 frigates operable right now?
 
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John Sansom said:
This business of the Ville de Quebec escorting seaborne food and relief supplies to Somali ports as a "sole" function had me scratching my head when I first heard it. If, for instance the VdQ is on escort duty and she and her charge come across pirates attacking another vessel, what's the drill? Hopefully, she'd reach out with whatever armaments and manoeuvres are up to the job, while calling for assistance. The VdQ is a pretty agile vesel and should be able to handle a double-duty scenario without compromising the safety of the vessel under escort (just so long as she doesn't have to report back to Ottawa for permission). Really...I was originally wondering whether her standing orders are open to flexible interpretation in tnis kind of situation.
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Maritime law would come into effect. If a ship is in distress and a navy vessel is within range and able to assist by law it is supposed to aid in anyway possible...unless it interferes with its current mission,kinda like a footnote on that law. plus it would look really bad if they refused to help.
 
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Prirates will go for anything they think they can get away with..

In WWII in the pacific they would attack naval vessels destroyer and larger even when they have a full compliment of watch on duty. Attack would not be a daylight shoot out, but board at night stab and steal.

Where was it I heard that some pirates have shot at naval vessels with a 5"?
As mentioned, some areas even US warships would not be suitable. With local communities supporting the pirates, local knowledge of waterways and not suitable for a Burke.

Most round the worlder's take a fairly decent selections of arms. Which gets them in trouble at some ports. 30-40 footers with say 3 shotguns, 2 high powered rifles (.308 or larger) and a .45 pistol for each crew member. Hence why smaller vessels are generally not worth the effort.

Its these larger vessels, loaded with cash, supplies, cargo, worth millions as a ship on the black market.
 
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Just patrol your waters with a few AEW&C's and send in a few fighters to strafe their dinghy and mission accomplished. Even if it's in international waters no one is going to mourn the loss of professional looters. If your nation is facing pressure from pirates you know that you have a problem in awareness/response though it is easily rectifiable.
 
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DefConGuru said:
Just patrol your waters with a few AEW&C's and send in a few fighters to strafe their dinghy and mission accomplished. Even if it's in international waters no one is going to mourn the loss of professional looters. If your nation is facing pressure from pirates you know that you have a problem in awareness/response though it is easily rectifiable.
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And where do you bases these "few" AEW&C aircraft? And who has a few which can be spared for anti-piracy patrols in all the hot spots? And where do you base these (relatively short-range) fighters?
 
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ROCK45

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Pirate patrol update

I see Spain getting involved which is a good thing but where will the P-3 Orion operate from?

Spain to patrol against pirates off Somalia
Wed 17 Sep 2008, 15:54 GMT
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MADRID, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Spain will send a military aircraft to patrol the waters off the coast of Somalia to protect ships from pirates, the Defence Ministry said on Wednesday.

The plane, which will carry 90 Spanish soldiers, will reach the patrol area by the end of the week, the ministry said in a news release. It will operate from a base in Djibouti.

The move came after French commandos on Tuesday freed two French tourists held for ransom on their yacht off the African country's coast. In April, crew members of a Spanish fishing boat were freed by pirates in the area after payment of a $1.2 million ransom, according to a Somali official.

The P-3 Orion plane, designed for maritime patrol and reconnaissance, will collect information on the movements of pirates to relay to a European Union task force formed to work against piracy off the Horn of Africa. (Reporting by Paul Day, editing by Robert Hart)

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http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnLH659451.html
 
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It says right there it will operate from Djibouti...

Afaik, the Allied airfleet there currently roughly consists of:
  • Fighterbombers: 7 Mirage 2000C; 3 Mirage 2000D
  • Maritime Patrol: 5-6 P-3C; 1 ATL2
  • Transport: 1-2 C-130; 1 C-160R
  • Helicopters: 5-6 UH-60; 7 SA.330B; 3 SA.341F; 1-2 AS.555UN
  • U(C)AVs: small number of Predator A/B
Presumably, the Spanish P-3 replaces the second German P-3 which only operated (unplanned) for a month or two.
 
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