It's much easier to add anti-submarine weapons later than add a hull-mounted sonar. Could be an ASW helicopter.ELAC SONAR GmbH, a German supplier of hydroacoustic systems, announced that it completed sea acceptance tests of the HUNTER hull-mounted sonar for the Philippine Navy's Gregorio del Pilar-class frigates on 27 July 2023.
HUNTER 2.0 is a hull-mounted sonar carrying out anti-submarine warfare (ASW) in active and passive modes in shallow and deep waters for panoramic detection of submarines and other objects. The system features a forward-looking mine avoidance mode as well.
Not much other information is given in this article, like on which of the three frigates (or maybe the whole class) the new sonar system
HUNTER sonar for Philippine Navy frigates passes milestone - Naval News
ELAC SONAR GmbH completed SAT of the HUNTER hull-mounted sonar for the Philippine Navy's Del Pilar-class frigates on July 27, 2023.www.navalnews.com
It is also unclear why a sonar will be installed, while the vessels do not have/get anti-submarine weapon systems.
Here we can find some more details about the upgrade program of the Gregorio del Pillar class.
Del Pilar-class (Frigate) Upgrade Project of the Philippine Navy
Overview: The Philippine Navy has long been planning to improve the capabilities of the three Del Pilar -class frigates it acquired from th...maxdefense.blogspot.com
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To answer @Sandhi Yudha's question, it is applied across the whole class of three ships with Hanwha as the prime systems integrator. Given the extensiveness of the upgrades (CMS, RESM, sonar, countermeasures, 3D radar (integration)) , it seems unlikely that it will stop at better sensors.
They have supposedly requested for used Phalanx CIWs and the class has the capacity to install anti-surface and anti-submarine weapons back in the day.
They have supposedly requested for used Phalanx CIWs and the class has the capacity to install anti-surface and anti-submarine weapons back in the day.
Jockeying for position among the three prospective proponents seems to have intensified in the last 3 months.
First the announcement of Navantia interest and offer of the S-80 in August, repeated visits by the French (both Naval Group, government) on NG's offer of Scorpene, and finally, Hanwha Ocean's recent announcement that they have changed up the offer, from the initial Type 209 based Jangbogo-I class to the newer KSS-III derived Jangbogo-III.
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First the announcement of Navantia interest and offer of the S-80 in August, repeated visits by the French (both Naval Group, government) on NG's offer of Scorpene, and finally, Hanwha Ocean's recent announcement that they have changed up the offer, from the initial Type 209 based Jangbogo-I class to the newer KSS-III derived Jangbogo-III.
Hanwha Ocean offers variant of KSS-III submarine for Philippine Navy's requirements
Hanwha Ocean has unveiled its latest, stepped-up proposal submitted for the Philippine Navy's (PN's) two-boat submarine requirement.
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Spanish firm cites edge in submarine proposal to PH
CADIZ, Spain — China’s constant harassment of Filipino soldiers, coast guard personnel, and fishermen in their own waters has bolstered the argument that the Philippines should invest in the
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AFP: Submarine acquisition set in latter part of modernization program
MANILA – Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chief Gen. Romeo Branwer Jr. said the acquisition of diesel-electric submarines would take place in the latter part of the military’s ongoing modernization program. "The (Philippine) Navy has a long range of equipment requests on its wish list,"…
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From this, the budget for submarine being prepared is between USD 1.5 bio to 2.0 bio. However that's including budget for supporting infrastructure and training. This could means as Philippines has to build everything from scratch, the amount that will be available for the subs could be USD 1.0 bio to USD 1.3 bio. Considering they could spend 500-700 mio on building infrastructure support and training regime.
If they aim for two, we're potentially looking USD 500-650 mio per subs only. So I don't know what kind of Scorpene, S-80 or KSS-III that will be created. They also say the submarine will come on later part of next budget cycle program. Means they seems put priorities on other assets first.
Deliveries of the first 3 batteries of Brahmos to the Philippines Navy has started.
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The 2nd (of Batch 2) LPD for Philippines Navy, having keel laying ceremony in PAL facility in Surabaya. PAL target all LPD will be done by 2026.
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The first corvette/frigate was launched today. Not a surprise she had been seen in the water a week ago.
A mixed of weapons and sensors from different sources
Israel - IAI ALPHA search radar, probably ESM is Elbit Aquamarine
Turkiye - Aselsan Gokdeniz CIWS
S.Korea - ICMS combat system, Sea Star ASCM
French - MICA VL
Danish - Terma C-Guard (unconfirmed) decoy
Sonar (hull mount) unknown, B guns (RCWS) unknown
HD Hyundai Heavy Industries Launches the Philippine Navy Corvette ‘BRP Miguel Malvar’ - Naval News
A mixed of weapons and sensors from different sources
Israel - IAI ALPHA search radar, probably ESM is Elbit Aquamarine
Turkiye - Aselsan Gokdeniz CIWS
S.Korea - ICMS combat system, Sea Star ASCM
French - MICA VL
Danish - Terma C-Guard (unconfirmed) decoy
Sonar (hull mount) unknown, B guns (RCWS) unknown
HD Hyundai Heavy Industries Launches the Philippine Navy Corvette ‘BRP Miguel Malvar’ - Naval News
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Is it really 2 x 12? Because it looks like 2 x 8 to me. Similar to how its arranged on a Gowind class corvette. Photo showing the VLS cells is very grainy so it could be anyone's guess.
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Xavier video in Manila for this year ADAS. This video focus on Hyundai HHI which have big booth there. Not surprising as Hyundai got big order from Philippines on present project and future ones. On future ones Hyundai hope larget order for both from Navy and Coast Guard.
The latest Philippines Corvette actualy larger then their previous Frigate, shown what's been know how Corvette and Light Frigate terminology basically is same at this moment for many Navy. The Corvette have 16 VLS and 8 SSM tube's, while the Frigate only 4 SSM. Guess they should change their Frigate term to Corvette, while their Corvette more appropriate as Light Frigate.
Personally I applaud Philippines commitment to invest in Coast Guard. Much better then it's southern neighbor that bassically did not invest much on Coast Guard due to Navy priority. Under current condition Coast Guard actually better to handle any potential border dispute than directly goes to Navy.
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Xavier video on Hanwha Ocean offer in ADAS 2024 in Manila. Hanwha Ocean previously DSME offer 2 type of Submarine and 1 type of Frigate. One of the Submarine type is similar type with what DSME export to Indonesia and call DSME 1400. Now they market it as PN 1400.
I'm not going to talk much on whose fault on DSME 1400/ Nagapasa class problem. My understanding both Indonesian MinDef as buyer and DSME as contractors shares fault on this. However when Indonesian MinDef decides to look for other contractors like TKMS or now even NG to help PAL rectified Nagapasa class, then it is not good marketing image for DSME/Hanwha as export market.
There's no doubt on Hanwha abilities to construct reliable Submarine. However the problem with Nagapasa class is part of after sales service. Whatever your product is, after sales service, especially in Export market is very important.
KSS III PN offer is export version of KSS III. Got impression the specs being prepare to rival Scorpene Evo that NG going to build witn PAL. It's afterall their export competitor for ASEAN market.
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The KSS-III version for the Philippines is made smaller and cheaper than the original one, by removing the K-VLS and AIP-module, but i think it will be still too large and advanced for Philippines' budget. Besides that their navy has never operated submarines before, so i think starting with a Type 209/1400 Chang-Bogo class design will be simply a better choice.
