It's not just the PN that has funding issues, it's basically the entire AFP...Hopefully the one that will be transfer this year still have the Phalanx CIWS onboard.
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True when the LCS operates on diesels but may worse when operating at speed (being one of the criteria for the craft). Looking at the Austal offering they have two LM2500's and two diesels driving 4 waterjets. Econmic cruising appears to be 18 knots with a range of 4500nm on about 2800 tonnes loaded (quite a bit less than the OHP). However it appears to get above 18 knots the LM2500's need to be on line. To get above 30 knots, or even to the stated 44knots, the fuel burn would be prodigeous.
I wonder what the comparison would be for the OHP and Austal vessel at 28 knots (I susepct the information will not be freely available).
Only the USCGC Mellon had these fitted. Then removed, although in a manner that allows reintroduction of the ASW/ASuS capabilities.
The rest of the Class, arguably, can be fitted with these, though none else were.
Neither LCS is what you'd call economical when it comes to sipping fuel. Both hulls are optimized for high speed at the expense of low speed economy.
The Royal Malaysian Navy was the only regional operator of the Phalanx, until it was burnt to a crisp, when the KD Inderapura - an ex-USN Newport LST - was guted in a fireHopefully the one that will be transfer this year still have the Phalanx CIWS onboard.
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Speed comes at a cost. Austal is a HSC design which does limit operations to certain conditions, speed being the first victime when the sea state gets up.
The PN has removed Chinese markers on Reed Bank, Douglas Bank and Boxall Reef that were recently placed without permission...
Spratlys Tension: Brave Pinoys removes China markers | Everything In Budget
So the PN could replaced the RMN then as the sole regional operator of the Phalanx CIWS if the one that will be transfer still have this armament onboard and is not removed prior to it's transfer this year...
Plans are underway as of late Jan. for the PN to send Officers/crews to the US so that the selected Hamilton Class cutter under the FMS program can sail back to the Philippines with a 30 to 35 day travel period across the Pacific...
P.S. According to hazegray.org, Thailands Phutthayotfa Chulaok class ASW frigate does have a 20 mm Phalanx CIWS onboard...
Spratlys Tension: Brave Pinoys removes China markers | Everything In Budget
The Royal Malaysian Navy was the only regional operator of the Phalanx, until it was burnt to a crisp, when the KD Inderapura - an ex-USN Newport LST - was guted in a fire
So the PN could replaced the RMN then as the sole regional operator of the Phalanx CIWS if the one that will be transfer still have this armament onboard and is not removed prior to it's transfer this year...
Plans are underway as of late Jan. for the PN to send Officers/crews to the US so that the selected Hamilton Class cutter under the FMS program can sail back to the Philippines with a 30 to 35 day travel period across the Pacific...
P.S. According to hazegray.org, Thailands Phutthayotfa Chulaok class ASW frigate does have a 20 mm Phalanx CIWS onboard...
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Diesel propulsion generally has better fuel economy than gas turbine propulsion, its why most new frigates have both diesel and gas turbine propulsion. While the LCS may not have a fuel economical hull, the LCS was also designed for faster littoral combat operations than the FFGs as well. Everything about the design of the LCS leans towards littoral operations, including naming the ships. Their ability to do the traditional ocean escorting role is a secondary concern, and is the reason why the US is NOT typing them as frigates...
There are plenty of the used Hamilton class cutters for both nations which will soon strike from the USCG...Latest Updates on the plan aquisition... USCGC CHASE Association
Looks like a HOT TRANSFER on this FMS, hopefully it goes to the PN instead of the Uruguay Navy ...
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Post content with your links, not one-liners. Please, you've been reminded about this before. Thanks mate.Latest updates on this upcoming aquisition...
DEFENSE STUDIES: Philippine Navy Preparing to Sail First Hamilton Class to Philippine
StevoJH
The Bunker Group
These ships are too old, I don't see how a purchase, even at an extremely low price could be seen as cost effective given the maintenance requirements of 40-45 year old hulls.
They'd be better off grabbing something more modern and built to commercial standards like the Spanish BAM OPV's or something derived from the British River/Clyde class OPV's.
Even if it meant leasing them for 10 years with an option to buy at the end of the lease period (like the RN with the River's/Clyde).
They'd be better off grabbing something more modern and built to commercial standards like the Spanish BAM OPV's or something derived from the British River/Clyde class OPV's.
Even if it meant leasing them for 10 years with an option to buy at the end of the lease period (like the RN with the River's/Clyde).
I agree with you that this vessel is too OLD, but trying to aquire a more modern expensive brand new naval patrol ships for the PN will be a very hard task to accomplish due to the limited funding available for the department... but leasing them would be a great alternative with the option to buy at the end of the period...
Yes, your right...Almost all are WW2 and Vietnam era warships, with the exception of the 3 Ex-HMS Peacock class corvette plus 1 Cyclone class from the US.
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I also agree with you leasing now is and buying at the end of the leasing period is a great alternative but buying this time is impossible because of the lack of funds, but its better i to have that hamilton class than nothing to use at all
StevoJH
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What do the PN think of the Tenex/BAe Australia 56m patrol boats that are in the Picture?Yes, your right...Almost all are WW2 and Vietnam era warships, with the exception of the 3 Ex-HMS Peacock class corvette plus 1 Cyclone class from the US.
Yes, the Nigerians have bought the Hamilton, and the Philippines have bought the Chase. At the moment a Nigerian crew is training on the Morgenthau in Alaska. I suspect they have never been so cold before in their lives...
Uruguay is also interested in buying some Hamiltons as well... While the ships are old, they are in good working order, and their Fairbanks Morse diesels parts can be found at railroad diesel locomotives scrapyards throughout America. Of the twelve ships, some are in pretty good shape and some are in bad shape. The USCG have been maintaining these ships as their capital ships, as I noted earlier in this thread, we use them in the rough and tumble Bering Sea during the crab seasons. Notice the Nigerians are training in Alaska in the Bering Sea. If they were good enough for Bering Sea operations and heavy usage by the USCG, these ships should be good enough anywhere.
The Hamilton and Chase had been stationed in San Diego, California. These countries that are buying them will be getting them at almost no cost. Four are being decommissoned from USCG service this year, another four next year, and the final four the next...
The US Congress has authorized the purchase of five of the seven new NSC cutters. The last two NSC cutters are planned to be authorized in the next two years. Two are already in service, a third has been launched, the fourth has been laid down, with the fifth to have its first steel cut soon...
I agree, I would buy new OPVs, but all of these countries have other priorities for their budgets. If they can get ten years or so out of them, at that time the Famous/Bear class cutters will be available... In five years or so the Reliance class much smaller cutters will be available...
Some people see treasures with other people's discarded items...
Uruguay is also interested in buying some Hamiltons as well... While the ships are old, they are in good working order, and their Fairbanks Morse diesels parts can be found at railroad diesel locomotives scrapyards throughout America. Of the twelve ships, some are in pretty good shape and some are in bad shape. The USCG have been maintaining these ships as their capital ships, as I noted earlier in this thread, we use them in the rough and tumble Bering Sea during the crab seasons. Notice the Nigerians are training in Alaska in the Bering Sea. If they were good enough for Bering Sea operations and heavy usage by the USCG, these ships should be good enough anywhere.
The Hamilton and Chase had been stationed in San Diego, California. These countries that are buying them will be getting them at almost no cost. Four are being decommissoned from USCG service this year, another four next year, and the final four the next...
The US Congress has authorized the purchase of five of the seven new NSC cutters. The last two NSC cutters are planned to be authorized in the next two years. Two are already in service, a third has been launched, the fourth has been laid down, with the fifth to have its first steel cut soon...
I agree, I would buy new OPVs, but all of these countries have other priorities for their budgets. If they can get ten years or so out of them, at that time the Famous/Bear class cutters will be available... In five years or so the Reliance class much smaller cutters will be available...
Some people see treasures with other people's discarded items...
Just a quick clarification that the Hamilton WHEC-715 is the one that was bought by the Philippine Navy and the Chase WHEC-718 was the one sold to the Nigerian Navy...
To StevoJH: That is not the 56 meter Tenix vessel, it is assigned to the PCG and there are no plans to include it in the PN service fleet...The photo which shows on the lower right is actually a PN locally made patrol gunboat...
BRP San Juan SARV-001, PCG 56 meter San Juan(Tenix) Class...
BRP Emilio Aguinaldo PG-140, PN Aguinaldo class Patrol Gunboat...
To StevoJH: That is not the 56 meter Tenix vessel, it is assigned to the PCG and there are no plans to include it in the PN service fleet...The photo which shows on the lower right is actually a PN locally made patrol gunboat...
BRP San Juan SARV-001, PCG 56 meter San Juan(Tenix) Class...
BRP Emilio Aguinaldo PG-140, PN Aguinaldo class Patrol Gunboat...
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odd buy for Nigeria (a little OT) I would have thought what would be spent on the Hamilton could be spent on bring what they have into full service such as the Vospers and their MEKO which I would be surprised if its active after its exciting trip 2005 to the UK. Struggling to see the reasoning even if its an FMS transfer their still likely to struggle to keep one running for a prolonged period(looking at the state of their currant fleet and the age of the vessel).