Pakistan to get 3 new frigates.
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lalith prasad
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dont be so sure india is upgrading its kilos as of now 3 havebeen upgraded to type 636 level capable of firing klub anti shipping and antisumbmarine missiles and can also be used for land attack they have arange of 220kms indian company l and t has submitted a proposal yo the navy and defence ministry to manufacture the amurs in a joint venture with kirloskar engines india with tot frm russia facilities have already been set up at haldia however clearance has not yet been obtained the in desires to submarine production facilities there have also been reports that israel invited india to jointly develop subs to replace their dolphins and for the indian navy.nothing further is known about it also a team of indian scientists visited israel to discuss cooperation in the atv project according to a report in india defence 2 russuian akula 2 ssn will be acquired by india from russia on a10 year lease the first of these would arrive in 2006 .india is also developing its atv .
does israel have its own sub production i doubt that but they can work on internal systems but the bulk of production will come from Russians if they will give you the tech you have to remember that they have to keep there industry alive too!!. i know UK is is going to build RR ship propulsion production in india for cheap labour. so thats a pluss. but i doubt the new Killos can be as good as the future scorpions in the INdian fleet. the Pakistan augusta. these are brand new Higher depth vessels with better build quality. i know Augusta have MESMA tech in them so they have air independent prop so they can stay in a dive underwater hidden for about 60 days, they can fire excocest suface antiship missile from a depth. there entire sub-tactic systems are new. on bord computers are new all the sensors have been integrated for maximum situation awareness, the augusta was desinged to build on on its previous predecessors for stealthiness. and in the indian ocean it should be difficult to pinpoint a sub any way. the scorpion has every thing what the Augusta have as extra option like the mesma is standard on scopio where as the Pakistanis had to buy the tech after they made the Augusta purchase. the French neither the Russians would give you complete tech transfer becasue india has the potential to beat them at there own game so stop looking outward and start looking inword!! there is a difference between local assembly and local construction, Pak is now doing local construction of subs where as others usually only get local assembly.
i would say this and no one can disagree with me here, that Pakistan is considerably an INsignificant State in-terms of potential when you look at India, which aspires to become a super power, so i doubt INdia would be given complete TOT like Augusta Sub to Pak, Pak is a poor nation if france gets over a billion dollar for three subs from pakistan plus TOT its not a bad deal for france considering Pak will not have more cash to buy another sub for at-least couple of decades where as india has the ability to spend loads buying Subs or surface ships from france or Russia. INdia is a potencial arms super buyer, why would france or russia give away there tech to india. seems like a poor business decision to me.
i would say this and no one can disagree with me here, that Pakistan is considerably an INsignificant State in-terms of potential when you look at India, which aspires to become a super power, so i doubt INdia would be given complete TOT like Augusta Sub to Pak, Pak is a poor nation if france gets over a billion dollar for three subs from pakistan plus TOT its not a bad deal for france considering Pak will not have more cash to buy another sub for at-least couple of decades where as india has the ability to spend loads buying Subs or surface ships from france or Russia. INdia is a potencial arms super buyer, why would france or russia give away there tech to india. seems like a poor business decision to me.
mysterious
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Exactly my friend adsh! I think you've hit the bulls-eye. :smokingc:
France is providing technology exchange on a number of projects (Air, Navy, battlefield tech). Indias deals with Russia are also based on tech development and transfer. (missiles, satellites, aerospace, naval, armoured)
They just aren't buying hardware, they're also developing the capability to finesse and develop their own. This is exactly the same as China's approach.
mysterious
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Almost anyone sensible would do that. Pakistan has been and is doing that as well. Its just about comparing who is doing how much of it when they can afford it. :smokingc:
GF can you straight away tell me the Technology that russia is providing to INdia, will allow india to start its own Production, and i mean independent production of the same hardware, i doubt that is the case any business strategy dictates you can't sell the idea out to our potencial customer/Competitor. i can see why india got SU30 they paid for an assembly line and t-90 , and they (russia will continue to get R&D sum from INdia). When ever china has gotteen a piece to technology they have ended up copying it i doubt india would be able to do the same.gf0012 said:
pick any service of the Indian Armed Forces, they all have russian equipment in production. where Russia makes its money is on support on maint.
that process has been in existence for 50+ years. Insia is a trusted client of India and as such gets preferred status.
that process has been in existence for 50+ years. Insia is a trusted client of India and as such gets preferred status.
I think you and I are having a comms problem. I was referring to the fact that India builds some russian equipment under license and does that across the 3 services and for various platforms and technologies. I didn't mention subs.adsH said:
However, their intent is to build modified SSBN's of the Charlie Class. The whole purpose of leasing the Akula before was to develop skills and comprehend handling issues etc in a significantly larger vessel.