Pakistan to get 3 new frigates.

[P.A.F]

Admiral Kareemullah said negotiations with the Peoples Republic of China were in final stages for the purchase of four frigates. Each frigate with a dead weight of 3000 tons would have a facility to carry a helicopter.
This is a big boost to the pakistani navy because i heard from another source that the deal includes combat helicopters which will be armed with air to surface missiles as well as sophisticated long range radars. This is definately a huge enhancement to the pakistani navy because we definatly need more stealthy air patrols around our waters.

admiral Kareemullah is just waiting for the go ahead of the deal.

 

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Admiral Kareemullah said negotiations with the Peoples Republic of China were in final stages for the purchase of four frigates. Each frigate with a dead weight of 3000 tons would have a facility to carry a helicopter.
This is a big boost to the pakistani navy because i heard from another source that the deal includes combat helicopters which will be armed with air to surface missiles as well as sophisticated long range radars. This is definately a huge enhancement to the pakistani navy because we definatly need more stealthy air patrols around our waters.

admiral Kareemullah is just waiting for the go ahead of the deal.

I thought the deal was for four with three of them being built at Pak Navy Docks under TOT

Clarification needed

 

[P.A.F]

sorry. your right. it's four frigates with 3 built in pk

the site is
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top6.htm

 

[gf0012-aust]

sorry. your right. it's four frigates with 3 built in pk

the site is
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top6.htm

I was initially curious about this, China is flat out trying to build new vessels herself. In fact a lot of offshore building is happening as local yards can't keep up. She would have been highly unlikely to build 4 vessels for friends and partners due to her own demand priorities.

 

[adsH]

sorry. your right. it's four frigates with 3 built in pk

the site is
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top6.htm

I was initially curious about this, China is flat out trying to build new vessels herself. In fact a lot of offshore building is happening as local yards can't keep up. She would have been highly unlikely to build 4 vessels for friends and partners due to her own demand priorities.

Thats the reason they are going to let pakistan build there designs I think Pak Does have its own Dry docks and i think they have there Dry docks fitted with western ship Building equipment so i guess the Over all spead Might be the same as chinese who use alot more older bamboo style and construction with alot of ship builders to compensate for lack of moder ship building mechanism.

 

[P.A.F]

the first ship is going to be built in china with pakistani engineer's looking at how it's built. the other 3 r gonna be built in pakistan with the help of the chinese engineers.

 

[Roger Smith]

Admiral Kareemullah said negotiations with the Peoples Republic of China were in final stages for the purchase of four frigates. Each frigate with a dead weight of 3000 tons would have a facility to carry a helicopter.
This is a big boost to the pakistani navy because i heard from another source that the deal includes combat helicopters which will be armed with air to surface missiles as well as sophisticated long range radars. This is definately a huge enhancement to the pakistani navy because we definatly need more stealthy air patrols around our waters.

admiral Kareemullah is just waiting for the go ahead of the deal.

It is high time Pakistan buys new naval frigates from China, as most of PN vessels are old and second-hand from American and British Navies., exception of new submarines made by Pakistan recently.

 

[adsH]

Pakistan To Sign Frigate And Helicopter Deal With China By June


April 01, 2004:Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said Pakistan would sign a deal with China for supply of four frigates in June. He told reporters at the inauguration of a private hospital in Wah Cantonment he hoped the financial approval for the purchase of the frigates would soon be accorded while further modalities would be finalized in May, during his upcoming visit to China. In June, both the countries would formally sign the agreement for the supply of four Chinese F-22P frigates, he added. One or two of these frigates would be built in China, while the rest in Pakistan, he said.


In addition, he said, Pakistan would also buy anti-submarine helicopters from China and this deal would also be finalized in due course. Answering a question, he said the Pakistan Navy had been conducting joint exercises with numerous countries’ navies and at present its fleet is participating in a two-day multilateral maritime exercise in the Gulf of Oman. In the exercise, "Arabian Shark 2004", maritime units of nine international navies have been participating, including those of the US, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Australia, Kuwait and Bahrain. Admiral Shahid said the Pakistan Navy units will also take part in an exhibition later this year in the UK, while the PNS flag would be hoisting in the US waters the next year when its another unit will attend an exercise there.

They are GOING TO BUILD THEM NOT BUY THEM from china there is a difference!!! they are buying one !! the rest will be built quiet cheaply in pakistan under TOT.

 

[solid]

I heard this news at some chinese forums too. Mybe these ships are type 053H3.
Mybe this one? It's a type 053H3 FFG's tail

or this one? It looks like a type 054 FFG or 052b, 052C DDG......who knows.

 

[adsH]

I can't find a picture of F-22P any one have one !!!

 

[solid]

I think PLAN don't need more 053H3 FFG. So these two ships maybe built for PN.

if you can't see the pic. just copy the pic's address to the IE's address bar.

 

[adsH]

I think PLAN don't need more 053H3 FFG. So these two ships maybe built for PN.
http://www.wforum.com/wmf/uploads/2004428new.jpg
if you can't see the pic. just copy the pic's address to the IE.

i was reading about this somewhere they are stopping further production becasue the next generation ships are comming inn and they look beautiful. these ships look nice too by far the best looking Frigates in chinese inventory.

 

[Roger Smith]

Pakistan To Sign Frigate And Helicopter Deal With China By June


April 01, 2004:Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah on Wednesday said Pakistan would sign a deal with China for supply of four frigates in June. He told reporters at the inauguration of a private hospital in Wah Cantonment he hoped the financial approval for the purchase of the frigates would soon be accorded while further modalities would be finalized in May, during his upcoming visit to China. In June, both the countries would formally sign the agreement for the supply of four Chinese F-22P frigates, he added. One or two of these frigates would be built in China, while the rest in Pakistan, he said.


In addition, he said, Pakistan would also buy anti-submarine helicopters from China and this deal would also be finalized in due course. Answering a question, he said the Pakistan Navy had been conducting joint exercises with numerous countries’ navies and at present its fleet is participating in a two-day multilateral maritime exercise in the Gulf of Oman. In the exercise, "Arabian Shark 2004", maritime units of nine international navies have been participating, including those of the US, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Australia, Kuwait and Bahrain. Admiral Shahid said the Pakistan Navy units will also take part in an exhibition later this year in the UK, while the PNS flag would be hoisting in the US waters the next year when its another unit will attend an exercise there.

They are GOING TO BUILD THEM NOT BUY THEM from china there is a difference!!! they are buying one !! the rest will be built quiet cheaply in pakistan under TOT.

adsH

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech, as the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian.

Chinese theory and doctorin as well policy has always been to copy others and mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money.

 

[solid]

These two 053H3's hulls are stopping further production?? Never heard about that. And as I known, these hulls and 054 FFG are almost built at the same time. Although I can't find any F22P's pic on the web, but I believe F22P will use 053H3's hull. I also hope they can use stealthy hull which like type 054's.

 

[solid]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech

I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.

the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian

yeah, The first 956EM DDG that the Russian Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant built for China was launched on April 27, 2004.
But notice the word 'TOT', this is the very important difference between China and other developing countries like India. I think this is the best way to save money and also can help China to develop her industry (esp heavy
industry) and tech faster.

mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money

Making money isn't the main purpose and can't be the main purpose in fact, for buyers are under-developed countris. China just wanna help these friends to pass the hard time and built their own industry ability.

 

[joker]

The helos are the Z9.... dont know about A2G capability though.. although the Sea Kings have the capability to launch AShup missiles.

A pic of the F22P model: (Source: Pakdef.info).

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PS. the Type 21 hulls maybe getting on but the subsystems have been upgraded extensively and they are to continue serving in the PN until 2010 i think.

 

[adsH]

These two 053H3's hulls are stopping further production?? Never heard about that. And as I known, these hulls and 054 FFG are almost built at the same time. Although I can't find any F22P's pic on the web, but I believe F22P will use 053H3's hull. I also hope they can use stealthy hull which like type 054's.

I think i have seen an F-22P its fairly new vessel but it has a distinctive Antenna array similar to the Type 052 luhu class Missile destroyer, its the Black Antena Array but i am unclear if pak wil use any of the chinese Onbord systems in the Past Pakistan has always used French Equipment and the French have visited Pak navy Dry dock too so there is somthing to watch there.

I doubt it will utilize the HUll configuration of the 054 i have seen couple of Pics of the FFG and i am am Impressed it looks nice!! but i don't think PakNavy is going for that!! the construction look complicateing and pakistan only has limited (but sufficient)experience building Guided missile Boats.


I must agree with the New hull design and the Phase array radars and the New French fire control systems and other computer sub system the Ship would of been a Damm punch.

 

[adsH]

Thank god !!! i did abit od quick research and found out that the Ship was renamed /!!!!!

this is the story source http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/jiangwei_houjian_zhongb.htm


hree years after the launch of the last Jiangwei 542 Tongling, Hudong Shipyard started to build the improved Jiangwei II FFG (Type 053H3, 2,393t full load, speed 26.5kt) in 1996. The new frigate has upgraded radar and fire control systems, including datalink, SATCOM, ZKJ-XC combat autmation system as well as a new Type 343G fire-control radar (with an oval-shaped dish) replacing the obsolete Type 343 which controlled the 100mm main gun. More powerful weapon systems include two quadruple YJ-82/83 SSM systems (compared to the original two triple) and a PJ33A twin 100mm automatic gun identical to the one installed on Luhu and Luhai DDG. A vertically launched SAM system was speculated in the forward structure in front of the bridge, but this turned out to be false. Instead an octuple HQ-7 SAM system (manual reload, controlled by Type 345 radar replacing Castor II) was installed suggesting HQ-7 has become the standard weapon systems onboard all latest PLAN warships. Besides the two aft Type 76/715 37mm close-in AA guns relocated above the helicopter hanger as well as the raised structure above bridge to house the Type 343G radar, Jiangwei II appears generally similar to the original Jiangwei in size and arrangement. A total of 8 ships were constructed (521-524, 566 built in Shanghai, 564-565 & 567 bulit in Guangzhou) before the program was terminated, among them the first vessle was reportedly built for Pakistani Navy (597?), but the budgetary constraint terminated deal, and the ship was later renumbered as 521. An improvement first discovered onboard 567 is the new Type 99 twin 100mm main gun featuring a stealth optimized turret. This new main gun is being back-fitted to the rest of ships in the same class (including 521, 522 & 564). There were reports that Pakistani Navy was negotiating with Chinese to procure 4 export version of Jiangwei II (dubbed F-22P), but this has not been confirmed.

 

[Roger Smith]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech

I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.

the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian

yeah, The first 956EM DDG that the Russian Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant built for China was launched on April 27, 2004.
But notice the word 'TOT', this is the very important difference between China and other developing countries like India. I think this is the best way to save money and also can help China to develop her industry (esp heavy
industry) and tech faster.

mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money

Making money isn't the main purpose and can't be the main purpose in fact, for buyers are under-developed countris. China just wanna help these friends to pass the hard time and built their own industry ability.

I feel the South Korean are the most advance in hi-tech ship building nation. I saw on BBC World news on South Korea, they have pending orders from foreign buyers for over 400 vessels Merchant ships such as bulk cargo ships, oil tanks etc worth $80 billion., the South Korean shipyards are fully booked for the next 4 to 5 years.

 

[adsH]

I do not feel Chinese Naval vessels are very hi-tech

I agree with you. they are just mid-tech.

the Chinese are buying TOT from the Russian

yeah, The first 956EM DDG that the Russian Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant built for China was launched on April 27, 2004.
But notice the word 'TOT', this is the very important difference between China and other developing countries like India. I think this is the best way to save money and also can help China to develop her industry (esp heavy
industry) and tech faster.

mass produced the same and sell to under-developed countries and make money

Making money isn't the main purpose and can't be the main purpose in fact, for buyers are under-developed countris. China just wanna help these friends to pass the hard time and built their own industry ability.

I feel the South Korean are the most advance in hi-tech ship building nation. I saw on BBC World news on South Korea, they have pending orders from foreign buyers for over 400 vessels Merchant ships such as bulk cargo ships, oil tanks etc worth $80 billion., the South Korean shipyards are fully booked for the next 4 to 5 years.

And so is china booked up, there own need exceeds further than anyones order so mass production has to remain key. But just have a look at there New Vessels they are truly impressive and not lesser in design than any other wester Ship builders. and when they incorporate french onboard systems it makes those Ships very lethal.

Oh and your rite its the First Pic that you posted on this Thread which shows the Tail of the Ship thats f22p
Thnx alot Solid you have posted the Pick of the Serial 567 which is the Export eqv F22P model this one has the New Type 99 twin 100mm main gun featuring a stealth optimized turret

So what do you think about the Frigate!!!

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?pid=2790&fullsize=1