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Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
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birdofprey
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listen uaf do you know J-10s prise tag?? do you even know JF-17's??
JF-17 is Specifically design for "PAF" by PAC's Engineers to full fill 3.5 gen Requirements. though JF-17 might not be better then J-10, the "cheap prise tag" and Similar characteristic of F-16 makes it the best of the best MRCA to replace older chines and french aircrafts in big number. now "uaf" paf isnt like USAF who can spend tons of money on one project, PAF has to take its defence buget under concideration, 5 billion are already been spent on new F-16s and 5-7billion on 150 J-10 in same year?? new F-16s are in same class as J-10 so why have two same type of planes..
China confident Russia will allow fighter jet sale to Pakistan - report
BEIJING: China is optimistic it will win permission from Moscow to use Russian engines in a new multi-role fighter to be sold to Pakistan, the Financial Times reported, citing a senior official involved in the project.
Citing Li Pei, head of development of the Xiaolong at China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corp (CATIC), the newspaper said Moscow was now expected to approve the sale to Pakistan by the end of 2006 or in January next year.defenctalk (Chinese news paper)
However, Russia's state arms trading agency, Rosoboronexport, dismissed suggestions that Moscow was set to allow the re-export of engines as 'premature and unfounded,' the newspaper added.
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/pub...llow_fighter_jet_sale_to_Pakistan10008870.php
Well still Russia Didnt given permission, it just a China media hype
I think we are this artical published a month earlier? It was supposed to be publish on 1st Dec 2006 as mentioned
mysterious
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I think it is pointless to start endless debate again over this issue. RD-93 is well on its way to Pakistan with even possible upgrades to the engine being considered.
Moving on to the F-16 issue, this month's AFM points out that the main thorn of contention in the deal is the with-holding of the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) tech that has bothered PAF officials and if there was a chance of Pakistan getting it through back-channels as pshamim pointed out some time back; I dont think the deal would have stalled like this. PAF, right now has until Dec. 31st to sign the Letter of Acceptance for the F-16 deal.
Moving on to the F-16 issue, this month's AFM points out that the main thorn of contention in the deal is the with-holding of the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) tech that has bothered PAF officials and if there was a chance of Pakistan getting it through back-channels as pshamim pointed out some time back; I dont think the deal would have stalled like this. PAF, right now has until Dec. 31st to sign the Letter of Acceptance for the F-16 deal.
honestly, you need to read more closely. From the Jane article.
"Li reversed this view of the JF-17 programme when questioned by Jane's at a press briefing organised by Klimov during the China Air Show 2006. He was flanked on the podium by senior officials from both Klimov and the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport."
I guess the senior officials from klimov and Rosoboronexport mean nothing to you.
But Sir , i don't think Janes will do that much blunder insted of putting 1 Nov 2006 , they published 1 Dec 2006. Morover do anyone have original Link? of just 2 lines of this artical on janes Site?
they had an airshow in China called the Zhuhai airshow. They came out publically and said these things, I really don't think they can get this wrong.
But still, they are not the policy maker , Still their is NO CHANGE IN RUSSIAN OFFICAL STANCE till now and they (senior officials from both Klimov ) is not the policy and decision maker.
This thing will only be clear by Putin himself directly and INDIA and RUSSIA already on the vearge of making militry alliance and share a trust.
India moved out from Europian Galileo Project and not inventing more 300 Million USD now and will invest in Russia GLONASS GPS System for military use of both country and joint markting. Do you expect Russia will anger India with for a small deal.
Moreover RUssia and China dont share the same relation that russia is with India. Russia knows Only China is depended on Russia for arms they cant buy things from US or Europe whicle India can.
So if India get upset it can goto US or EUROPE for buying but if china upset if canot go anywhere it has to deal with RUSSIA. Their are other which will help in making the decision.
you can believe whatever you choose to believe. But the fact is this, Russian gov't can't openly admit to allowing RD-93 transfer due to their relationship with India. Having CAC, Klimov and the Rosoboronexport say this is about as much of a public statement as you can get.
As for this cannot get anything but from Russian. You forget that Chinese defense industry is developing very fast. As I said, if RD-93 is not allowed, then JF-17 export to Pakistan will be delayed by a couple of years. But CAC will probably just export J-10 earlier to compensate. WS-13 will be ready in 2009.
That is because the article will be published in JDW's December Magezine.
Janes Defence Weekly. Not monthly.
mysterious
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Ok so moving beyond this trivial arguement over Janes Defence newspiece, I would highlight the F-16 deal again to get some information on its progress in the concerned circles.
From what I have been able to piece together, if the deal goes through, I dont think PAF is going to opt for any more than the 18 aircraft to be ordered and the MLUs for the existing aircraft in its squadrons.
From what I have been able to piece together, if the deal goes through, I dont think PAF is going to opt for any more than the 18 aircraft to be ordered and the MLUs for the existing aircraft in its squadrons.
There are four weeks in December.
With regards to the F-16 deal, the CnC, ACM Tanvir Mahmood Ahmad said that the PAF will probably execute the 18 F-16C/D aircraft option - raising the Block 52+ fleet to 36.
mysterious
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That was before the deal was stalled, before Pakistan asked for an extension in the deadline for the signing of LOA (Letter of Acceptance).
The interview was made in early October; and an agreement was signed by the PAF and U.S around the same time (Link).
Pakistan and Russians Relations are Building
This is a good time to get any thing from Russia with the help of china if JF17 is fiited with RD93 then the new era of relation betwen Pak and Russia is begin and indian also had to gone for the US favour. with in 2 to 5 years things can change easily the new group may be Russia China and Pakistan what you think
This is a good time to get any thing from Russia with the help of china if JF17 is fiited with RD93 then the new era of relation betwen Pak and Russia is begin and indian also had to gone for the US favour. with in 2 to 5 years things can change easily the new group may be Russia China and Pakistan what you think
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Out of interest the US just placed a $270m order for 500x AIM-120C AMRAAM missiles on Pakistan's behalf with Raytheon.
Info courtesy of:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/pub...id_Close_to_F-16_Fighter_Purchase10007378.php
Info courtesy of:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/pub...id_Close_to_F-16_Fighter_Purchase10007378.php
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JF-17 Retractable In Flight Refueling Probe: IDEAS 2006, Courtesy: M. Asif
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