PAF undertakes aerial relief operation

fieldmarshal

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According to Gavin Hewitt with PA Aviation in Jared village, on BBC news, he says: "much of the relief effort is impressive, but remote areas still need to be reached". He also said that Pakistani Army pilots were now flying beyond safety limits for machines and men.
 

fieldmarshal

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900 sorties flown to quake-hit areas so far

Source http://jang.com.pk/thenews/
RAWALPINDI: The world has witnessed some unprecedented air rescue and relief operations during the last one-week after a severe earthquake hit Azad Kashmir and NWFP on last Saturday (October 8), says an ISPR press release.
45 helicopters including mainly of Pakistan Army Aviation flew over 900 sorties to carry out rescue and relief operation in quake-hit areas during the last eight days, rescued over 6,000 injured people and lifted tons of relief items to those areas.
On the day when earthquake measuring 7.6 on the Richter scale hit Muzaffarabad, Bagh, Rawlakot, Mansehra, Balakot and Islamabad and its surrounding areas at 8.50 am, the first helicopter of the Army Aviation was airborne within 20 minutes. By mid-day over 100 seriously injured persons had been evacuated by the Army Aviation helicopters. In the first phase as many as 10 MI-17 helicopters undertook rescue operations and subsequently the Aviation effort was reinforced with more helicopters raising the total tale up to 31 helicopters. Later 8 US, 4 German and 4 Afghan helicopters also joined one of the world’s biggest rescue and relief efforts to make a total tally of 46. Till date 46 helicopters which include Chinook, Black Hawk, CH-53, MH-53, PUMA, Bell-412 have flown over 900 sorties to evacuate over 6,000 seriously injured to the Combined Military Hospital, and Military Hospital Rawalpindi. At least 3,000 injured after necessary treatment have been shifted to other Combined Military Hospitals in Abbottabad, Jhelum, Kharian, Gujranwala and Lahore.
Relief Activities expanded in next two days when Army Engineers and Frontier Works Organisation opened Ghari Habibullah-Muzaffarbad Road, Rawalpindi-Kohala-Muzaffarabad and Rawalpindi-Bagh and Rawalpindi-Rawlakot roads.
Logistic Directorate of Pakistan Army undertook the gigantic task of planning and conducting of heli sorties, collection of stores out of army resources and further despatching goods to forward areas by road and by air and also conducting road move of relief items and medical teams where possible. All tentage in the army stores has been distributed among victims of the earthquake-hit areas.
In last eight days 343 tons of ration, 141 tons of medicines, 67 tons of water, 63,000 blankets, 16,000 tents, 131 tons of miscellaneous items and 53 tons of clothing have been dispatched by air as well as road.
Pakistan Army has established five mobile surgical teams, two in Muzaffabad, one in Bagh and two in Rawlakot. Besides that three field Hospitals have also been established in Muzaffarabad, Bagh and Battagram.
As many as 32 friendly countries have provided assistance to Pakistan in this hour of distress and need. 15 countries have sent their rescue teams, 25 sent their medical teams and field hospitals. 23 countries have forwarded relief good while three countries, US, Germany and Afghanistan have sent their helicopters to carry out rescue and relief operations in Azad Kashmir and NWFP.
Medical team of Japan is deployed in Battagram, Aga Khan Foundation, Azerbaijan and France have established their field hospitals in Balakot. Germany, Sweden, Turkey, Hungary, Poland, Belgium, Cyprus, Russia, Afghanistan and Singapore have established their field hospitals in Muzaffarabd. Malaysian medical team is carrying out rescue operations in Bagh while the medical team of Jordan and China are providing relief to victims of quake-hit areas in Rawlakot. Italy has established its hospital at Mansehra.
 

fieldmarshal

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It is still sketchy but their are some reports comming in that an army avation hele has gone missing in the bagh area in "bad weather".
Hope and pray its nothing serious.
 

Elite-Pilot

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where the hell did these come from??:confused:

one BlackHawk was landing and was hit by a HEAVY verticle wind, the chopper was pushed back while it was hovering slowly to touch the ground. It was forced to nearly crash in the trees below but another verticle wind came from behind,putting the chopper back in its landing zone. the pilot was believed to be from the USAF. twenty-Eight people observed this from below.



DOES ANYONW BELIEVE THIS...IT WAS E-MAILED TO ME BY MY BTOTHER AND THIS WAS ON CNN!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON NOW!!!:unknown
 

gf0012-aust

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Elite-Pilot said:
where the hell did these come from??:confused:
They're american - where else would they come from? No one else uses CH-53's

Elite-Pilot said:
DOES ANYONW BELIEVE THIS...IT WAS E-MAILED TO ME BY MY BTOTHER AND THIS WAS ON CNN!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON NOW!!!:unknown
Firstly. calm down a little.
Secondly, whats the issue you're actually getting excited at?
Thirdly, avoid using capslock - it's unnecessary to make a point.

Settle down, make your case and avoid getting excited as it makes it difficult to work out what the contentious issues are for you.
 

Elite-Pilot

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They're american - where else would they come from? No one else uses CH-53's
what i meant was, where did they fly in from?Carrier/Afghanistan???

Firstly. calm down a little.
Secondly, whats the issue you're actually getting excited at?
Thirdly, avoid using capslock - it's unnecessary to make a point.

Settle down, make your case and avoid getting excited as it makes it difficult to work out what the contentious issues are for you.
alright:)

i am not getting excited at anything..i am saying that,luckily by miracle the blackhawk did not you know....go "boom"
 

fieldmarshal

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bbc just confirmed that a PAK Army helecopter went down near bagh, it believes that all 6 ppl on board died.
May ALLAH have mercy on their souls n give sabar to the bereaved families amin.
 
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fieldmarshal

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Pak Army helicopter crashed during relief operation
(Updated at 0850 PST)

link http://jang.com.pk/thenews/

MUZAFFARABAD: A helicopter of Pakistan Army that went to dispatch relief goods in affected areas on Saturday was crashed and six army personnel in it, were martyred.

The helicopter, M-17 crashed on Sunday morning when it was on relief operation.

Pakistan Army has confirmed that its helicopter had crashed with six persons on board.



 

Red aRRow

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where the hell did these come from??
There are two U.S. Navy MH-53E Sea Stallions from Bahrain which made a three day flight to North Pakistan. The two MH-53E Sea Stallion helicopters are assigned to Helicopter Mine Countermeasure Squadron Fifteen (HM-15) and are now operating from Chaklala airbase helping relief efforts.


Mi-17 goes down in the line of duty.
Frantic efforts to reach remote mountain villages, cut off by landslides and still in dire need of help one week after the quake, were dealt another blow with the crash of one of the helicopters flying relief missions on Sunday.

The Pakistani military said it was unclear if the torrential rain was to blame for bringing down the Mi-17 chopper on Saturday near Bagh, one of the worst-hit towns, but that air crews had been flying up to 10 hours daily.

"There were six people on board. They are all dead," spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said. "There is no rest for the pilots. This is our unprecedented relief operation."

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said that 58 choppers, including 18 from foreign countries, have joined the relief operation in the mountainous region where roads and communication links were snapped by the October 8 quake.

The helicopters conducted 318 sorties on Friday alone, delivering tonnes of goods to the quake-shattered areas and bringing back the worst of the injured for medical treatment, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051016/ts_afp/quakesasia_051016072159

I think the pilots and Pakistan Army are pushing it way beyond the limit now.
 

P.A.F

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:( may god grant them heaven for putting there lifes on the line to help there country.

by the way they were 2 pilots and 4 army personnel. reports so far say that it was because of the weather.

For gods sake they need to get those blocked roads cleared so that helicoptors ain't the only source of relief. thousands of more people would die over the next 5 days if aid doesn't arive (quote from a british doctor present in pakistan)
 
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Elite-Pilot

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While I was watching ARY one...a doctor said "The pakistani Army is taking heavy risks". This brings up what that C-130 pulled of a couple of days ago.
An observer was also interviewed saying "the Helicopter was at low altitude,the weather was very bad. The pilot made it seem as if the helicopter was a plane.He was flying low and his nose was facing the ground(normal process). but then i dont know what happened the helicopter just went down as if the blades stopped working".

PAF likes to take their risks, and if they didnt we wouldnt be 2nd best pilots in the world(i would say first). On top of that, the Captains or whatever dont' say anything because they take risks themselves. They approve these maneuver.

do you understand what i am saying?:confused:

MAY ALLAH BLESS THEIR SOULS!!
 

SABRE

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Another Mi-17 has crashed during the rescue work today. Thats the 2nd one in 2 days. Some army aviation officials were realy unhappy with Mi-17. They kept complaining its inability to fly during the dark/night & now they will be unhappy with its lack of ability to fly in different types of wheather.

The pilots are taking big risks flying in bad wheather.
 

kashifshahzad

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SABRE said:
Another Mi-17 has crashed during the rescue work today. Thats the 2nd one in 2 days. Some army aviation officials were realy unhappy with Mi-17. They kept complaining its inability to fly during the dark/night & now they will be unhappy with its lack of ability to fly in different types of wheather.

The pilots are taking big risks flying in bad wheather.
Pakistan's Govt must take sensible decisions for the aquisition of new helis which will be required for better deplovment of troops and above all for the relief and rescue operations carried out during flood or earthquakes.Pakistan must go for heavy transport French and US helis
 

Red aRRow

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SABRE said:
Another Mi-17 has crashed during the rescue work today. Thats the 2nd one in 2 days. Some army aviation officials were realy unhappy with Mi-17. They kept complaining its inability to fly during the dark/night & now they will be unhappy with its lack of ability to fly in different types of wheather.

The pilots are taking big risks flying in bad wheather.
There has been one Mi-17 crash NOT two.
 

fieldmarshal

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Earthquake helicopter 'heroes'

By Aamer Ahmed Khan
BBC News, Rawalpindi

link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4346778.stm



When the global media descended on Pakistan in the wake of the killer quake on 8 October, what the world saw was a relief effort that was perhaps memorable only for its chaos.

What went unnoticed was the tireless effort made by a handful of nameless and faceless people that eventually set the ground rules for what is shaping up into one of the largest relief and rescue operations since the Asian tsunami.

These men are the helicopter pilots of Pakistan's armed forces - perhaps the only group of people in the sordid drama that have delivered more than was ever expected of them.

While those in cities and towns - helped mostly by road transport - have perhaps not even noticed their presence beyond the deafening hum of the rotors on their flying machines, villagers call them angels.

"If it hadn't been for these helicopters, about 600 people in my village who survived would surely have died," says Abdul Ghafoor, a resident of Chikothi.

Chikothi is a border town 62 kilometres northeast of Muzaffarabad. The road is so badly damaged that its restoration would perhaps take several months.

Locals say the choppers were there on the second day after the quake.

Sea change

One of the Pakistan army's most senior helicopter pilots says he saw a "sea change" in the pilots under his command after their first trip to Muzaffarabad.

Some of the slopes are so steep... that most of our airdrops just roll down to the river below

"Aviators are pampered brats because of the nature of their job," says this officer.

"You try and stretch them beyond regular hours and they throw the rule book at you."

Yet each one of the 20-odd chopper pilots employed by the Pakistan army has been doing 12 to 16 hour days since the quake struck.

For the first two days, they were even flying during the night - a practice strictly forbidden under normal circumstances.


Helicopters arrived in Chikhoti two days after the earthquake

Pilots recall those critical 48 hours as a period of "blind flights."

But while that pressure eased with the commissioning of more choppers, the pressure to evacuate the injured has only mounted with time.

Pakistan army spokesman Shaukat Sultan says the army's fleet of 10 Russian-built MI-17s - along with a few smaller ones - has rescued 6,000 people so far.

The commanders of these pilots say they will not stop their aid efforts, and when ordered to do so they fight and resist to the point of insubordination.

"There were hundreds of people standing amid the rubble, waving to me, motioning me to come down," says one MI-17 pilot describing his first view of Muzaffarabad - only about four hours after the quake.

"But at that stage, we had only been sent out to assess the situation, not to intervene.

"Now we can and I am not stopping till I drop."

Highest battlefield

During their typical 12-hour day, about half the time is spent in the air.

It must be tough staying up for such a long time, especially given the hilly terrain.

"The terrain is the least of their problems," says one senior commander.

According to him, Pakistani chopper pilots have had extensive experience of hostile conditions because of the conflict in Siachen glacier.

"They have been dumping combat supplies at the world's highest battlefield for more than 20 years now," he says.

The pilots have also had vast experience of operating in hilly areas because of Pakistan's 25-year-old involvement in Afghanistan.

So it is not the terrain that is the issue.

"It is the people," says one pilot.

He says one of the trickiest problems he has faced in relief and rescue work so far is airdropping supplies.

The hastily put together relief packages in the initial days could weigh in excess of 40 kilos.

"Can you believe that old men, women and children would run directly under the choppers, trying to catch the drops," he says.

"From a height of 20 to 25 metres, they would have been crushed under their weight."

Often, the pilots would have to return without dropping supplies - a complaint that was heard from many villagers once the land routes opened.

"What could we do? We were carrying only the minimum possible fuel so we could carry more supplies.

"And if the people in one village held us up for more than a few minutes, we would just fly on to the next."

Super mules

Particularly problematic for the choppers was to drop relief supplies at villages - tiny settlements really, often not larger than a dozen houses - close to mountain tops.

These areas have traditionally been served - in severe weather conditions for example - by the army's animal transport units (ATUs) made up of mules.

The mules are amazing animals. Each one of them is trained to carry particular kinds of supplies.

Those trained in carrying ammunition will not carry guns and the ones trained to carry clothes will not transport food - each of these mules is a specialist.


The Pakistani army's animal transport units (ATUs).

And they can find their destination without human assistance.

They have been a critical part of military logistics for more than 50 years and the only means of helping villagers trapped in snowstorms in the harsh winter months.

The quake has reduced the ATUs to a fraction of their original strength, leaving the relief work entirely dependent on choppers.

"Some of the slopes are so steep - especially where levelled clearings have been swept down to the valley by the quake - that most of our airdrops just roll down to the river below," says one pilot.

"We don't want to hover too close to the survivors either, as the rotors would blow away whatever little shelter they are left with."

Indeed, at the Muzaffarabad chopper base set up inside a stadium, people toppling over as mammoth US Blackhawks touch down or take off is a regular sight.

Thank you


The hardest part by far, say the pilots, is evacuating casualties.

One of the hardest hit areas away from the towns and cities is Lipa valley.

The quake seems to have inflicted 100% damage here. From the tiniest of sheds to the brigade headquarters, nothing has been left standing.

Entire hillsides have caved in. Even the walkways leading up the hills have disappeared.

A Medecins Sans Frontieres doctor, who had set up a medical camp at a small clearing, said even a week after the quake, between 100 to 150 people - most with fractures - were still making their way down the hills every day.

As the soldiers started bringing in casualties, it was easy to understand the pilots' consternation.

On the 13-minute flight from Lipa valley back to Muzaffarabad, and the 32 minutes from there to Rawalpindi, the copter resembled a nightmare tomb.

The wounds of many among them have begun to fester and the aircraft stinks unbearably.

The casualties are packed like sardines and when rough winds shake the copter, many of them cry out in pain.

"This is the only thing that I still haven't gotten used to," says one of the crew.

"But we know that there are many more - hundreds or may be thousands - who still await evacuation."

By the evening, the chopper has evacuated 95 casualties and dropped nearly 10 tonnes of relief supplies across the Lipa valley.

"No mater how much we do, we know there is still a lot more to be done," says one of the crew.

"How can we even think of giving ourselves a break?"
 

lakhani

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ISLAMABAD: A helicopter of Army Aviation engaged in relief operations made emergency landing due to engine failure.

According to details, both the engines of MI.17 were failed during the flight, forced pilot to make emergency landing safely on a road near Dhamyal Airbase, Rawalpindi.

Pilot Col. Tariq Chaudhry, two co -pilots and 3 other staffers were on board.

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html
 

P.A.F

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http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/23/top10.htm

Five die as relief helicopter crashes

BAKU, Oct 22: The five people aboard a Russian military helicopter taking relief supplies to Pakistan died when the aircraft crashed shortly after taking off from a refuelling site in Azerbaijan on Saturday, an Azeri official said.

Sabir Iliasov, deputy head of Azerbaijan’s state-owned AZAL air company, said: “I think all of them are dead.â€

The helicopter, chartered by the United Nations, was flying from Trabzon in Turkey to help victims of the earthquake in Pakistan. It was due to make another refuelling stop in Turkmenistan.

“The helicopter made a fuel stop in Ganja. Immediately after taking off (from Ganja) it disappeared from radars,†Azeri television station ANS reported.

It said the helicopter had crashed 15-20 metres from the market in the town of Geokchai, but the market was deserted due to the late hour. —Reuters

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I bet it was the Mi-17 again. Pakistan should buy its helis from the US. ch-47 would be ideal.
 

kashifshahzad

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P.A.F said:
http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/23/top10.htm

Five die as relief helicopter crashes

BAKU, Oct 22: The five people aboard a Russian military helicopter taking relief supplies to Pakistan died when the aircraft crashed shortly after taking off from a refuelling site in Azerbaijan on Saturday, an Azeri official said.

Sabir Iliasov, deputy head of Azerbaijan’s state-owned AZAL air company, said: “I think all of them are dead.â€

The helicopter, chartered by the United Nations, was flying from Trabzon in Turkey to help victims of the earthquake in Pakistan. It was due to make another refuelling stop in Turkmenistan.

“The helicopter made a fuel stop in Ganja. Immediately after taking off (from Ganja) it disappeared from radars,†Azeri television station ANS reported.

It said the helicopter had crashed 15-20 metres from the market in the town of Geokchai, but the market was deserted due to the late hour. —Reuters

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I bet it was the Mi-17 again. Pakistan should buy its helis from the US. ch-47 would be ideal.
Yeah if it is not Mi17 then i think all the russian helis are the same.I can see here flying Chinooks and black hawks they are doing very good job.when Chinooks flow over the head all people stand still to see the heli's flying i think its fantastic.they looks heavy duty helicopters having a powerful engine
 

P.A.F

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http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/27/nat5.htm

Fuel consumption: each chopper costs up to Rs90,000 per hour



By Jamal Shahid
ISLAMABAD, Oct 26: The government is bearing a high cost of fuel ranging from Rs50,000 to Rs90,000 per hour for different helicopters engaged in the earthquake relief operation, Inter- Services Public Relations ISPR) Director-General Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan told Dawn.

“If a helicopter flies for one whole day it consumes fuel of about $6,000 (Rs360,000) to $10,000 (Rs600,000) depending on the size and other specifications of the aircraft.â€

There are almost 90 helicopters engaged in relief operations and each one is flying over eight hours a day, he said. Helicopters flying relief or rescue missions are consuming 600 litres to 800 litres of fuel in one hour, which means 6,400 litres for eight hours of flight. On average, the 90 helicopters are consuming 5,582,400 litres of fuel in a single day.

The government has also borne the high costs of refuelling all the fixed-winged aircraft which have brought in relief goods, the military spokesman said. This is the fuel expenditure of helicopters and all fixed-winged aircraft from the Chaklala airbase only.

“This also excludes all other costs such as that of spares. We have also been providing spares for helicopters such as the Afghan MI-17, which needed the new tail rotor replaced. The Americans have been bringing in their own spares for their Chinook and other helicopters,†Mr Sultan said.

According to information acquired, helicopters are far more expensive to maintain compared to fixed-winged aircraft. All body parts in a helicopter move except the body (shell). “A helicopter needs new parts after 100 hours to 500 hours of flight and without new parts it cannot be allowed to fly,†said a source.

A senior official in the ISPR told Dawn that the government was using its reserves to meet all the fuel requirements. “We have been utilising our own reserves to deal with the crisis. It is not being considered how much is being used and where it is coming from or who is paying. The top most priority right now is to meet the requirements of all aircraft engaged in the relief operations. It will be decided later who will pay,†he said.

According to the ISPR, out of the 91 choppers 41 belonged to Pakistan, 22 were from various friendly countries and 18 were of various NGOs and independent organizations.

The Pakistani helicopters engaged in the rescue and relief missions included 16 MI-17s, three Puma, ten Bell-412, two Y-12, two Sea King (Navy) and eight Aloutte.

There were 22 allied helicopters including 12 of the US, two German, two from Saudi Arabia and four Afghan MI-17s.

Besides, there were 18 miscellaneous helicopters including three of the International Committee of the Red Cross, three Japanese, two Latvians, two from the UN, four AB-139 of the Aga Khan Foundation, two Kamove of France and one Bell-212 of UAE.

During the last 16 days, the fleet of Pakistani and allied helicopters have flown 2,715 hours and evacuated 13,651 casualties.

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£££££$$$$$$$£££££££. that is alot of money!!!
 
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