NZDF General discussion thread

[John Fedup]

Here is the statistic that matters, a minimum of $150, 000 a year to incarcerate this POS for perhaps up to 50 years. Think of what that kind of beneficial things that amount of money could accomplish! This POS and others like him killed dozens of people. There are eye witnesses, video, DNA, and a whole bunch of other evidence that will be recovered ensuring 100% he did it. Can’t believe he wasn’t offed at the crime scene, there will be zero useful information coming from him.

 

[Rob c]

Here is the statistic that matters, a minimum of $150, 000 a year to incarcerate this POS for perhaps up to 50 years. Think of what that kind of beneficial things that amount of money could accomplish! This POS and others like him killed dozens of people. There are eye witnesses, video, DNA, and a whole bunch of other evidence that will be recovered ensuring 100% he did it. Can’t believe he wasn’t offed at the crime scene, there will be zero useful information coming from him.

Some years ago I watched a tv program out of Australia on the last Australian executed there. It was stated that the extra legal process required over the 3 years between the original trial and the execution would have paid for the guy to be kept in jail for a thousand years with some change left over. The legal process required for the death penalty has to be very exacting to ensure that you get it right and the cost of a top lawyer can pass the cost of a year in prison in a few days, let alone the cost of the complete justice system. In our NZ case the guys car was rammed and he was arrested by two cops responding from an outlying area who's only info would have been what they heard on the radio. IMHO two very brave men who upheld the best traditions of the NZ Police.

 

[KiwiRob]

He doesn’t have to cost us anything, we sentence him and then deport him to Australia. The Australian govt deports plenty of kiwis every month for often very petty crimes or even just associating with criminal elements so we can sent this Aussie home.

 

[Redlands18]

He doesn’t have to cost us anything, we sentence him and then deport him to Australia. The Australian govt deports plenty of kiwis every month for often very petty crimes or even just associating with criminal elements so we can sent this Aussie home.

How about we meet you half way, that’s about the middle of the Tasman Sea, sounds like a good place to deport him to

 

[John Fedup]

He doesn’t have to cost us anything, we sentence him and then deport him to Australia. The Australian govt deports plenty of kiwis every month for often very petty crimes or even just associating with criminal elements so we can sent this Aussie home.

Well that solves the cost problem but Australia may insist he be shipped back in a box.

 

[Redlands18]

Some years ago I watched a tv program out of Australia on the last Australian executed there. It was stated that the extra legal process required over the 3 years between the original trial and the execution would have paid for the guy to be kept in jail for a thousand years with some change left over. The legal process required for the death penalty has to be very exacting to ensure that you get it right and the cost of a top lawyer can pass the cost of a year in prison in a few days, let alone the cost of the complete justice system. In our NZ case the guys car was rammed and he was arrested by two cops responding from an outlying area who's only info would have been what they heard on the radio. IMHO two very brave men who upheld the best traditions of the NZ Police.

Ronald Joseph Ryan he was Hanged in Pentridge Prison Victoria in 1967. There was a lot of ongoing talk here about him and the Death Penalty when I was a Kid.
I don’t have a problem with the Death Penalty in theory but the problem is you can’t un-execute someone who has been proven innocent at a later date. This has been a problem in the US for years the growing number of People(especially Black Men) who were stitched up for Crimes they did not commit by bent Law enforcement.

 

[ngatimozart]

I am still waiting to get my feelings and emotions in order over the shootings in CH Ch and I struggle to comprehend the thinking behind them. On friday we lost our innocence as a nation and that hurts like hell and has made me very angry that someone could come to NZ and try to enforce their views of hatred against Muslims and immigrants (He was a bloody immigrant himself) on us. I am very saddened by what has happened and angry.
I disagree with those who call for the death penalty as it would tarnish our society and does not achieve anything. For example in the US the states which have the death penalty have a murder rate average of around 4.5 per 100000 and the states which don't it is down to 3.5 per 100000 , in NZ it varies around 0.7 to a max of 1 on a year to year basis
While we have lost our innocence and will inevitably have to make changes to our internal security we must not change our overriding culture. We are one .

This a Bravo Zulu for a thoughtful and well structured post. (BZ = well done)

Normally I would add a rider about not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with a post, but in this case I totally agree with your post and speaking both as a Kiwi and a Christchurch resident, who lives near to one of the mosques, we are deeply shocked, saddened and angered that such a vile and evil act has been inflicted upon fellow Kiwis in our beautiful city. So we stand with them, alongside them, the victims of this vile act as whanau, family. Kia kaha, arohanui whanua.

 

[ngatimozart]

How about we meet you half way, that’s about the middle of the Tasman Sea, sounds like a good place to deport him to

Absolutely not. Think about the damage he'd do to the ecosystem. The pollution. And what about the poor bugger who'd have to write out the environmental impact statement?

 

[ngatimozart]

Well that solves the cost problem but Australia may insist he be shipped back in a box.

How about in a cage as deck cargo on a submarine? Sure Australia could task a Collins sub for that mission. Give him 3 - 4 days air supply and manacle him with the mouthpiece very firmly affixed.

 

[Rob c]

Just a thought on the person in question from a practical point of view. He is unlikely to ever be released and will never join the normal prison population as he killed kids and would sooner or later wind up dead if they tried to integrate him. So he is going to spend a very long time in isolation with no normal contact with other humans, with nothing to do but stare at his four walls. Not what you could call a stimulating existence, he may even wish we had the death penalty to put him out of his misery.

 

[Redlands18]

How about in a cage as deck cargo on a submarine? Sure Australia could task a Collins sub for that mission. Give him 3 - 4 days air supply and manacle him with the mouthpiece very firmly affixed.

Can we throw in the Brain dead Senator from over here who basically blamed the Muslims for Friday as well.

 

[ngatimozart]

Can we throw in the Brain dead Senator from over here who basically blamed the Muslims for Friday as well.

Why don't you manacle him to the black stump on a short chain and just leave him there.

 

[Redlands18]

How about in a cage as deck cargo on a submarine? Sure Australia could task a Collins sub for that mission. Give him 3 - 4 days air supply and manacle him with the mouthpiece very firmly affixed.

Hey the Collins class have a bad enough reputation amongst the general population now without adding that to it and would the Hull keep out the smell well enough.

 

[Redlands18]

Just a thought on the person in question from a practical point of view. He is unlikely to ever be released and will never join the normal prison population as he killed kids and would sooner or later wind up dead if they tried to integrate him. So he is going to spend a very long time in isolation with no normal contact with other humans, with nothing to do but stare at his four walls. Not what you could call a stimulating existence, he may even wish we had the death penalty to put him out of his misery.

Prisoners have got the right idea for Child Murderers and Rapists they get very creative with a length of Polly Pipe and Barbed wire.

 

[t68]

Sorry guys, I don't want to come across as being insensitive to our Kiwi mates.

But shouldn't all this be in a dedicated thread in the off topic section as a fail to see how it relates to the tread title NZDF General discussion thread

 

[MrConservative]

Sorry guys, I don't want to come across as being insensitive to our Kiwi mates.

But shouldn't all this be in a dedicated thread in the off topic section as a fail to see how it relates to the tread title NZDF General discussion thread

I actually agree.

People can feel free to start a thread in the off topic section.

 

[kiwipatriot69]

Here is the statistic that matters, a minimum of $150, 000 a year to incarcerate this POS for perhaps up to 50 years. Think of what that kind of beneficial things that amount of money could accomplish! This POS and others like him killed dozens of people. There are eye witnesses, video, DNA, and a whole bunch of other evidence that will be recovered ensuring 100% he did it. Can’t believe he wasn’t offed at the crime scene, there will be zero useful information coming from him.

Well, we could send him back to Australia, like they do with kiwis that commit crimes over there being deported back,many after living majority of their lives there.

 

[MrConservative]

People can feel free to start a thread in the off topic section.

This was a gentle suggestion to refrain from CHCH related topics. If people wish to comment on that subject from now on start and contribute to that thread in the off topic section of DT. No exceptions!!

 

[Xthenaki]

This was a gentle suggestion to refrain from CHCH related topics. If people wish to comment on that subject from now on start and contribute to that thread in the off topic section of DT. No exceptions!!

To address a new direction from Christchurch regarding terrorism and expanding our military assets to cover quicker response to a potential crisis nationally - shpuld this go to the "off topic section"

 

[kiwipatriot69]

To address a new direction from Christchurch regarding terrorism and expanding our military assets to cover quicker response to a potential crisis nationally - shpuld this go to the "off topic section"

Exactly, its a matter of National security, which is why I brought up the topic in the first place.And our benign environment is well and truly over I'd say. I have no problems with extra spying powers being given to our GCSB, police etc to catch would be terrorists. It could have just as easily been a plane hijacking like 911 scenario,or an attack on shipping too, and we have neither an armed response , in plane's or ships in adequate numbers to stop either.