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Gibbo said:
Surprised this hasn't been picked up on yet...New Zealand Army wants multi-skilled light fighting force to combat future threats

It's a reference to release of this doc: http://www.army.mil.nz/downloads/pd...170626-future-land-operating-concept-2035.pdf

Think is belongs here rather than Army thread.
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Personally I think this belongs in the NZ Army thread because it is green machine centric.

I read the article on Wednesday and meant to copy and comment on it, but got sidetracked, so thanks for posting it because I had forgotten where I read it.

This is an interesting article and I will need to digest it and the Army paper. It's great to see that the Army are looking ahead to the future. Technology is and has been advancing exponentially since the start of WW2 and it's now hard to keep up with the advances. I never saw a tv until I was 6 and that was 55 years ago. I watched Neil Armstrong step onto the Moon's surface in 1969. It was delayed coverage because at that time NZ didn't have a terrestrial satellite system. Iirc that arrived in 1973 with colour tv arriving in 1974. My grandmother (1892 - 1982) watched it at our place with us and she remembered the reports of the Wright brothers first flight. She thought it absolutely amazing that in the space of 66 years humanity had gone from it's first heavier than air flight to landing a man on the moon and bringing him back home safely. Seeing how much technology and knowledge have advanced in the last 49 years, I wonder what my Nana would think about modern life. So how swift and to what level will be the advances in the next 17 years out to 2035?
 
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ngatimozart said:
Personally I think this belongs in the NZ Army thread because it is green machine centric.

I read the article on Wednesday and meant to copy and comment on it, but got sidetracked, so thanks for posting it because I had forgotten where I read it.

This is an interesting article and I will need to digest it and the Army paper. It's great to see that the Army are looking ahead to the future. Technology is and has been advancing exponentially since the start of WW2 and it's now hard to keep up with the advances. I never saw a tv until I was 6 and that was 55 years ago. I watched Neil Armstrong step onto the Moon's surface in 1969. It was delayed coverage because at that time NZ didn't have a terrestrial satellite system. Iirc that arrived in 1973 with colour tv arriving in 1974. My grandmother (1892 - 1982) watched it at our place with us and she remembered the reports of the Wright brothers first flight. She thought it absolutely amazing that in the space of 66 years humanity had gone from it's first heavier than air flight to landing a man on the moon and bringing him back home safely. Seeing how much technology and knowledge have advanced in the last 49 years, I wonder what my Nana would think about modern life. So how swift and to what level will be the advances in the next 17 years out to 2035?
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Yes all good, on reflection it probably does belong in the NZ Army thread.

Certainly good to see unmanned technology getting a focus. I've always wondered, in fact almost worried, that compared to ADF & other close allies that NZDF seems decidedly behind the game in the UAV tech etc space. Well aware it is happening with Army Kahu & Navy trial of scan-eagle but would've expected more everyday use of them in NZDF use by now. It's hardly an 'emerging' technology (although certainly evolving). I guess this doc shows that's NZDF are indeed thinking in that space.
 
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ngatimozart said:
Personally I think this belongs in the NZ Army thread because it is green machine centric.

I read the article on Wednesday and meant to copy and comment on it, but got sidetracked, so thanks for posting it because I had forgotten where I read it.

This is an interesting article and I will need to digest it and the Army paper. It's great to see that the Army are looking ahead to the future. Technology is and has been advancing exponentially since the start of WW2 and it's now hard to keep up with the advances. I never saw a tv until I was 6 and that was 55 years ago. I watched Neil Armstrong step onto the Moon's surface in 1969. It was delayed coverage because at that time NZ didn't have a terrestrial satellite system. Iirc that arrived in 1973 with colour tv arriving in 1974. My grandmother (1892 - 1982) watched it at our place with us and she remembered the reports of the Wright brothers first flight. She thought it absolutely amazing that in the space of 66 years humanity had gone from it's first heavier than air flight to landing a man on the moon and bringing him back home safely. Seeing how much technology and knowledge have advanced in the last 49 years, I wonder what my Nana would think about modern life. So how swift and to what level will be the advances in the next 17 years out to 2035?
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You need to also read the second to last Army news from last year, where CA lays down the basic building blocks for the future Army that will be fundamentally different to the current Corp/Regimental structure that we have known since WW1. The part I liked was CA letting all ranks contribute to the debate on the possible new Army structure.

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Gibbo said:
Yes all good, on reflection it probably does belong in the NZ Army thread.

Certainly good to see unmanned technology getting a focus. I've always wondered, in fact almost worried, that compared to ADF & other close allies that NZDF seems decidedly behind the game in the UAV tech etc space. Well aware it is happening with Army Kahu & Navy trial of scan-eagle but would've expected more everyday use of them in NZDF use by now. It's hardly an 'emerging' technology (although certainly evolving). I guess this doc shows that's NZDF are indeed thinking in that space.
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Kahu is dead Army has quitely moved on with 1RNZIR soldiers getting qualified as UAV operators from Massey University to the point they are now teaching AF how to handle and operate tactical UAV. From my pov AF dropped the ball big time and are scrambling to wrest control back from Army lol some things never change
 
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Cadredave said:
Kahu is dead Army has quitely moved on with 1RNZIR soldiers getting qualified as UAV operators from Massey University to the point they are now teaching AF how to handle and operate tactical UAV. From my pov AF dropped the ball big time and are scrambling to wrest control back from Army lol some things never change
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Good to hear Army qualifying 1RNZIR. Would like to see something larger in use too for longer range /endurance and more sophisticated sensors etc. IMHO all 3 services need to develop own UAV capabilities independently as all 3 will have their own specific needs, shouldn't be the domain of any 1 service.
 
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Cadredave said:
Kahu is dead Army has quitely moved on with 1RNZIR soldiers getting qualified as UAV operators from Massey University to the point they are now teaching AF how to handle and operate tactical UAV. From my pov AF dropped the ball big time and are scrambling to wrest control back from Army lol some things never change
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Apparently the RNZAF hasn't dropped the ball. I have been informed that they have been very much involved right from the start because they are the defence aviation regulator.
 
t68

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Its interesting to see how they mesh the expeditionary concepts of future Land operating concept with the Joint Amphibious Task Force, and the need to protect the light infantry force, I wonder if its a case of NZ Army having to grow capability wise that RNZINF may/should become an all mounted force using a combination of NZLAV,PMV(Bushmaster type of vehicles) and PMV-L(Hawkie) and RNZA becoming protected as well using Caesar/Archer gun system on the current MAN HX 8x8 as the platform (would prefer an SPG such as PZH 2000 but $$) PMV-L could also be used for indirect mortar carrier in a similar fashion to the USMC M1161 Growler and M327
 
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t68 said:
Its interesting to see how they mesh the expeditionary concepts of future Land operating concept with the Joint Amphibious Task Force, and the need to protect the light infantry force, I wonder if its a case of NZ Army having to grow capability wise that RNZINF may/should become an all mounted force using a combination of NZLAV,PMV(Bushmaster type of vehicles) and PMV-L(Hawkie) and RNZA becoming protected as well using Caesar/Archer gun system on the current MAN HX 8x8 as the platform (would prefer an SPG such as PZH 2000 but $$) PMV-L could also be used for indirect mortar carrier in a similar fashion to the USMC M1161 Growler and M327
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They are after agility and will be light to medium on the force spectrum. The revised conops is about not placing them in an all mounted cul-de-sac - they wont revisit 15 years ago. FLOC is the start of the concept and mounted mobility will be part of the toolbox but likewise more ISR and airborne manoeuver will provide the agility they are after. Pleased to see that they are addressing EW - something very undeveloped in the DWP.

The RNZN and the RNZAF will also need to develop their own future operating concepts that synergise the thinking in FLOC and Future 35.
 
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ngatimozart said:
My grandmother (1892 - 1982) watched it at our place with us and she remembered the reports of the Wright brothers first flight. She thought it absolutely amazing that in the space of 66 years humanity had gone from it's first heavier than air flight to landing a man on the moon and bringing him back home safely. Seeing how much technology and knowledge have advanced in the last 49 years, I wonder what my Nana would think about modern life. So how swift and to what level will be the advances in the next 17 years out to 2035?
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Hand in your NZ card ngati, everyone in NZ knows Richard Pierce flew before those scoundrels in the US.
 
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ngatimozart said:
:D I stand corrected.
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Did he fly before Gustav Whitehead? IIRC he is believed to have achieved first flight in 1901... Sadly it seems while there are records of local news articles reporting the flights, it seems that the articles themselves have been lost.
 
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NZDF are responding to Cyclone Gita's devastation of Tonga. A P-3K2 is undertaking an aerial survey of the Kingdom at the moment. A C-130H(NZ) has departed Whenuapai for Tonga with 12 tonnes of emergency aid and 10 personnel onboard who will undertake damage assessment. I would presume that Canterbury is also preparing to sail to the Kingdom. NZ and Australia are coordinating their responses with a RAAF C-17A being sent to the Kingdom with Australian aid onboard.
 
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ngatimozart said:
NZDF are responding to Cyclone Gita's devastation of Tonga. A P-3K2 is undertaking an aerial survey of the Kingdom at the moment. A C-130H(NZ) has departed Whenuapai for Tonga with 12 tonnes of emergency aid and 10 personnel onboard who will undertake damage assessment. I would presume that Canterbury is also preparing to sail to the Kingdom. NZ and Australia are coordinating their responses with a RAAF C-17A being sent to the Kingdom with Australian aid onboard.
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Yes, the frequency that we are seeing these cyclones is alarming. I wonder how small islands economies cope under the strain of being hit so often. Fiji probably still hasn't recovered from the last one? If the ports were damaged, how would this affect the offloading of cargo with Canterbury?
 
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kiwipatriot69 said:
Yes, the frequency that we are seeing these cyclones is alarming. I wonder how small islands economies cope under the strain of being hit so often. Fiji probably still hasn't recovered from the last one? If the ports were damaged, how would this affect the offloading of cargo with Canterbury?
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If need be Canterbury can go over the beach using the landing craft. Also I wouldn't be surprised if a RAN LHD heaves too close by.
 
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“We have done a check in New Zealand. We don’t have Russian undeclared intelligence officers here,” New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

Does anyone else have issues with the NZ PM discussing intelligence matters publicly?
 
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Bluey 006 said:
“We have done a check in New Zealand. We don’t have Russian undeclared intelligence officers here,” New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

Does anyone else have issues with the NZ PM discussing intelligence matters publicly?
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It's not so much that, but she must be on the electric puha (dope) if she believes that there are no Russian illegals in the country.
 
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