Nothing new except all Army rifles will be 16inch with Navy/Air Force getting 14inch barrels, I think the author of the article forgot about Armoured crews who historically have always had a shorter barrel than the rest of Army due to confined space within armoured vehicles.Can you fix the link please. Needs the f at the end
No need too as the sight reticule has been designed for Mk262 Mod1 77 gr ammo.
I hope they are correct re effective range. I am sure thoroughly tested by NZ Army.
Agree, I still think there will be a mix of barrel lengths especially with army possibly air force and on ops as well as per now.
They were there to assist STG in case talks broke down and they (STG) had to go in LAV are only for protection and are unarmed. This incident was a lone gun man why he shot four police officers is anyone's guess.Has anybody else been watching news on the bay of plenty seige at last night on TV3 where 4 officers got shot? Nz Army sent 3 Lav 3 vehicles as backup, clearly shown in background. Wondered if in other events like Napier shootings some years earlier where Lavs were called on, would they be used merely as cover for police and emercency services, or would they have permission to engage? in a built up suburban area too.
Yep. If he hadn't shot at the Police helo looking for whacky baccy and then at the other cops he might've only worn a growing charge with short time served. But now he's in a power of trouble and maybe in for a long lag. Stupid boy. They had a NH90 there as well.
The gunman is lucky he didnt get shot dead himself! im not sure our Australian and American counterparts would have shown the same restraint we do. Unsure what firearm he was using, if fired upon then, the crew just have a thin layer of armour and no live ammo from the Lav in that scenario? i would hope then criminals dont have access to the firepower required to punch through it then.
The LAV 3 used by NZ is the same as Canada's LAV 3. The standard version offers full protection against 7.62 x 51 mm NATO rounds. Both countries up-armoured their LAVs for protection against 14.5 x 114 mm rounds for duty in Afghanistan. I believe NZ gun restrictions are even greater than Canada's and NZ doesn't share a 5000 mile border with a country where guns are easily available to almost anyone.The gunman is lucky he didnt get shot dead himself! im not sure our Australian and American counterparts would have shown the same restraint we do. Unsure what firearm he was using, if fired upon then, the crew just have a thin layer of armour and no live ammo from the Lav in that scenario? i would hope then criminals dont have access to the firepower required to punch through it then.
fftopicApparently he had a shotgun and a .22 rifle. I note his whanau (Maori = family) got all upset that he might've got shot by the cops and it's all the cops fault. Well this Maori says if he hadn't shot at and shot cops he wouldn't been in their sights. Feeling in some ex service social media is we're hoping he wasn't one of us. Any way it has ended well with no loss of life.The gunman is lucky he didnt get shot dead himself! im not sure our Australian and American counterparts would have shown the same restraint we do. Unsure what firearm he was using, if fired upon then, the crew just have a thin layer of armour and no live ammo from the Lav in that scenario? i would hope then criminals dont have access to the firepower required to punch through it then.
fftopicGood to know they are upgraded, would that be just the ones we took to Afghanistan though, i see Canada has thier Lav 3 going through a full upgrade programme, but havent found any mention of ours in the media or white paper yet.
I'm pretty sure we don't have to worry about a lone gunman in his house taking down a LAV, even standard, and if so we either got problems with our armoured vehicles or problems with our gun control, it was Kawerau not Kabul.
I made a case of our Lavs survivability as cops are noting a lot of drug dealers are being found in possesion of illegally bought assault rifles, just tonights news showed that. Unsure what make or firepower. Personally i think handing a few armoured pinz over to police is a good idea, seeing American police forces and some european ones already do. Less lethal fitout like watercannons or teargas for crowd control too.And it frees up the Lav for elsewhere.
The 'stock' NZLAV should have sufficient protection to resist NATO 7.62 mm AP rounds IIRC. Unless armed criminal elements were to get their hands on large bore small arms like anti-material rifles, elephant or buffalo guns, the standard armour should provide adequate protection.
Gotta admit I was hoping the police would have shot him dead, we can't have citizens shooting our cops, and it would save the cost of a trial and his (hopefully) many many years behind bars.
Apparently he had a shotgun and a .22 rifle. I note his whanau (Maori = family) got all upset that he might've got shot by the cops and it's all the cops fault. Well this Maori says if he hadn't shot at and shot cops he wouldn't been in their sights. Feeling in some ex service social media is we're hoping he wasn't one of us. Any way it has ended well with no loss of life.
Pity the lavs hadnt of got there sooner , with the Nh90, like as soon as the police were taking casualties. I wonder what the policy is or response time would be to move a Lav around the country in response to multiple shootings, as they are mostly up north, and weigh too much for our C130 to lift greater than 400 km. Which is another good reason i think for police to take over this role, give them a few armoured pinzgauers and spread them around the areas where crime is highest.
I to had the same feelings and agree crims shooting cops should attract serious consequences. However the law must be seen to be obeyed in all respects.
For the amount of times that they would be required to be deployed operationally, they would be an unnecessary strain on an already under resourced police budget. The current arrangement would be the best option.
fftopic356 pages of specs. Ouch.