Sure. Canada wants to participate in peacekeeping and NATO deployments so you have to maintain some capability. Does the Canadian military do disaster relief? Border patrolling? Air policing? There's many things to consider.
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John Fedup
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My comment was defence spending wrt our new problem south of our border. Capability for disaster relief, yes, peace keeping, no!! NATO deployments, maybe but will NATO survive Trump?
SolarisKenzo
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Yes, NATO will survive Trump.
Will it be the same as before? No. Both sides of the atlantic will change their posture and this will eventually lead to more division within the alliance.
But how do you say in english... every cloud has a silver lining?
Will it be the same as before? No. Both sides of the atlantic will change their posture and this will eventually lead to more division within the alliance.
But how do you say in english... every cloud has a silver lining?
The German Ministry of Finance has already presented a roadmap on how to escalate spending to the newly (to be) agreed 3.5% target.
It's planned for Germany to reach that target by 2029 already (instead of 2035 as will apparently be agreed), with defence-related expenditure for 2025-2029 accumulating to 600 billion Euro. 2029 defence-related expenditure is planned to be 167.8 billion at 3.5% of the projected GDP with an average GDP growth rate of 2.9% annually.
About 378.1 billion of the 600 billion is planned to be financed through debts made possible through a change of the constitution befiore the current parliament came into power. Overall the planned expenditure presented is about 20% of the German federal budget for the same period.
It's planned for Germany to reach that target by 2029 already (instead of 2035 as will apparently be agreed), with defence-related expenditure for 2025-2029 accumulating to 600 billion Euro. 2029 defence-related expenditure is planned to be 167.8 billion at 3.5% of the projected GDP with an average GDP growth rate of 2.9% annually.
- 527.7 billion within that is planned for the Bundeswehr, ramping up from 75.1 billion in 2025 to 152.8 billion in 2029.
- 42.3 billion within that is planned for "aid to illegally attacked states", i.e. for military aid to Ukraine (from 2026 on set to a static 8.5b annually). Small note here: This is direct military aid financed by the German government, not credit arrangements or other financial aid.
- 29.8 billion within that is planned for civil protection, intelligence services and IT security.
About 378.1 billion of the 600 billion is planned to be financed through debts made possible through a change of the constitution befiore the current parliament came into power. Overall the planned expenditure presented is about 20% of the German federal budget for the same period.
Norwegian government confirms that they intend to order 2 extra U212CD subs, bringing the total to 6 subs. Germany has previously confirmed they will get 6 subs so a total of 12 U212 subs will be available to European NATO countries. Included in the cost is extra money to open a second assembly line to speed up manufacturing. Norwegian subs
In addition Norway will purchase long range weapons (up to 500km of range) the most likely candidate is in my uneducated opinion Chunmoo. Norwegian missile system
Poland is ordering 3 A26 subs from Sweden. Polish subs
Denmark is also ordering stuff.
The Danish Ministry of Defense and a broad parliamentary majority Friday that funds have been allocated for the purchase of a dedicated surveillance ship focused on monitoring critical undersea infrastructure. danish ship
Denmark is also ordering AMRAAM and IBCS. More stuff for Denmark
And something is happening in the UK, involving some drones. drones in the UK
ZVS Holding has signed a seven year framework agreement with the Slovak Ministry of Defence to supply large and medium calibre ammunition worth up to EUR 58 billion to EU member states. ZVS Holding EUR 58 billion ammo deal
Poland to receive 44 billion EUR to spend on arms deals. Billions to Poland
Russia should think twice about their next steps in Europe. European NATO countries are finally starting to arm up.
In addition Norway will purchase long range weapons (up to 500km of range) the most likely candidate is in my uneducated opinion Chunmoo. Norwegian missile system
Poland is ordering 3 A26 subs from Sweden. Polish subs
Denmark is also ordering stuff.
The Danish Ministry of Defense and a broad parliamentary majority Friday that funds have been allocated for the purchase of a dedicated surveillance ship focused on monitoring critical undersea infrastructure. danish ship
Denmark is also ordering AMRAAM and IBCS. More stuff for Denmark
And something is happening in the UK, involving some drones. drones in the UK
ZVS Holding has signed a seven year framework agreement with the Slovak Ministry of Defence to supply large and medium calibre ammunition worth up to EUR 58 billion to EU member states. ZVS Holding EUR 58 billion ammo deal
Poland to receive 44 billion EUR to spend on arms deals. Billions to Poland
Russia should think twice about their next steps in Europe. European NATO countries are finally starting to arm up.
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SolarisKenzo
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The 58 billion EUR ammunition deal is an european wide framework that will benefit from european funds and is open to EU-members joining the order.
Of course the "slovak ministry of defence" is simply the contracting station.
Of course the "slovak ministry of defence" is simply the contracting station.
NATO country Denmark orders land based NSM systems, in a 100 million EUR deal. Number of batteries, launchers and missiles not published. The NSM missiles have both land attack and anti-ship capabilities.
Denmark acquires NSM Coastal Defence System from Kongsberg - Naval News
Denmark acquires NSM Coastal Defence System from Kongsberg - Naval News
Slovakian company STV Machinery is restarting BMP-1 hull production. The first prototype is being worked on now, and they're starting with the hulls. Reportedly it will be made out of upgraded materials, and with ergonomic improvements. This will be the second country to create a new BMP-1 production line in the 21st century (the first being Vietnam with their XCB-1). It remains to be seen what the final vehicle looks like, I would be shocked it they retained the 73mm gun. Something unmanned with a stabilized 30mm (or 35mm) is the likeliest in my opinion. Personally I don't know what to make of this. The USSR certainly had some weapon systems last a very long time. The T-54/55 MBT family is a good example. On the other hand the BMP-1 is not the vehicle whose longevity I would hold up as an example of a great vehicle. If any country were to resume BMP-1 production in some form, my money would have been on Russia where the Rubtsov Machinebuilding plant does overhauls and upgrades of old BMP-1 hulls. And they still might. But Slovakia is here. It's unclear if these vehicles are meant for domestic use, for Ukraine, or for general export sales. Supporting Ukraine would be the most logical reason for this, but Slovakia recently had a change of leadership and has pivoted away from supporting Ukraine's war effort.
I'm really curious what everyone's thoughts are. Why do this? Who are the users likely to be? Will this provide some sort of reasonably modern armored vehicle based on the BMP-1 core design, or are we going to see something badly dated and not particularly relevant?
vk.com
I'm really curious what everyone's thoughts are. Why do this? Who are the users likely to be? Will this provide some sort of reasonably modern armored vehicle based on the BMP-1 core design, or are we going to see something badly dated and not particularly relevant?
VK.com | VK
vk.com
Big_Zucchini
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If a business decision seems unreasonable by all accounts, then it's probably a facade.Slovakian company STV Machinery is restarting BMP-1 hull production. The first prototype is being worked on now, and they're starting with the hulls. Reportedly it will be made out of upgraded materials, and with ergonomic improvements. This will be the second country to create a new BMP-1 production line in the 21st century (the first being Vietnam with their XCB-1). It remains to be seen what the final vehicle looks like, I would be shocked it they retained the 73mm gun. Something unmanned with a stabilized 30mm (or 35mm) is the likeliest in my opinion. Personally I don't know what to make of this. The USSR certainly had some weapon systems last a very long time. The T-54/55 MBT family is a good example. On the other hand the BMP-1 is not the vehicle whose longevity I would hold up as an example of a great vehicle. If any country were to resume BMP-1 production in some form, my money would have been on Russia where the Rubtsov Machinebuilding plant does overhauls and upgrades of old BMP-1 hulls. And they still might. But Slovakia is here. It's unclear if these vehicles are meant for domestic use, for Ukraine, or for general export sales. Supporting Ukraine would be the most logical reason for this, but Slovakia recently had a change of leadership and has pivoted away from supporting Ukraine's war effort.
I'm really curious what everyone's thoughts are. Why do this? Who are the users likely to be? Will this provide some sort of reasonably modern armored vehicle based on the BMP-1 core design, or are we going to see something badly dated and not particularly relevant?
VK.com | VK
I'm guessing someone was paid a fixed price to deliver a fixed number of armored vehicles and is looking for the cheapest option to check the box.
Still, there must be a customer. And that is likely Ukraine. Local Ukrainian 30mm RWS are the natural choice then.