Modernization of a land forces of Russia begins
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Unless you didnt noticed - i presented not only WiKi links.
in wikipedia it is more important to see what sources that they site, what is the basis of the information, and judging the validity and authenticity of those links, even the best of defense professionals work through the sources and their experience in the filed, not a universal knowledge of every thing that happens, instead of forming a clear view before hand about wiki, taking the time to check the cited sources is a better method, not related to the topic of T 55, just taking in general.
Russian forces are going through modernization, it is quite evident, tomorrow if the US decides to replace all the F16s, F18s and F15s with the F35 series and some new version of a MBT, it will not happen instantaneously, the production lines have their limitation. Until they are replaced it will only be logical to provide the equipment which will take some time to replace with whatever technological edge is possible for a modest budget.
I have a question, i could not find information about Russian military plans for future infantry soldiers, as it seems most nations are planning to equip a infantry soldier with more equipment to network them better with each other and the command chain (in laymans terms).
Russian forces are going through modernization, it is quite evident, tomorrow if the US decides to replace all the F16s, F18s and F15s with the F35 series and some new version of a MBT, it will not happen instantaneously, the production lines have their limitation. Until they are replaced it will only be logical to provide the equipment which will take some time to replace with whatever technological edge is possible for a modest budget.
I have a question, i could not find information about Russian military plans for future infantry soldiers, as it seems most nations are planning to equip a infantry soldier with more equipment to network them better with each other and the command chain (in laymans terms).
There are some plans, mainly inspired by USA programs. But the sorry state of russian consumer electronic industry prevent widesperead fielding of most advanced devices. Basically, infantry electronic is still too heavy, too big, too expencive, and consume too much power.
However, there are known advanced studies and developments here - they are just impossibile to field.
Vladimir80
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We are talking about hands-free radios for intra-platoon communications, when some Russian infantrymen from various autonomous republics do not speak Russian. We talk about reading a digitized situational picture and GPS indicators, when some Russian infantrymen do not know Cyrillic characters. The 42 Guards are the experimental division but the only thing they have gotten are multi year kontrakts, so called "professionalization." That is the best to hope for now. As mentioned we are a ways from the minituarization for battlefield application but I have provided some wish lists for future infantry. You won't find anything else about it as it is not the priority of MoD.
You are stating that Russia has sold T-55 with model designation AM2PBs to these countries, they cannot even afford the missile systems and have no technical back up to keep them maintained. yes they do have reactive armor packages on some of them, most likely supplied by Iran for Algeria.
Sorry - did not realize that he was banned until after sending this post, @Chrom or Extern or anybody else - please feel free to answer if you would like.
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Grand Danois
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IIRC from the reporting at the time, the batch of 40-50 were T-55AM2.
I cant confirm what Russia really sold any T-55/T-62 uprades. There was/is a lot of talks in the last 5 years what some contracts with different countries is/will be signed - but i cant remember any what was really fullfilled. However, that doesnt mean what Russia didnt accepted some contracts - i just dont have much interests in these old tank upgrades.You are stating that Russia has sold T-55 with model designation AM2PBs to these countries, they cannot even afford the missile systems and have no technical back up to keep them maintained. yes they do have reactive armor packages on some of them, most likely supplied by Iran for Algeria.
Sorry - did not realize that he was banned until after sending this post, @Chrom or Extern or anybody else - please feel free to answer if you would like.
P.S. Why Vladimir is banned? I quickly readed his last posts and didnt found anything THAT bad.... Some unproven (may be even wrong) facts in his posts - but who among us is not quilty in such crime...
Ahh - then for sure no ATGM or Volna FCS.
Webmaster posted reasons in the banned list column.
Regarding T-55/T-62 upgrades - i dont see any sense in them. Old T-72's are dirt cheap, and upgrading T-72 will cost exactly as much as upgrading T-55/T-62.
Keep in mind, T-72 is much more advanced tank, gain much more from upgrade, and remain more or less common with own russian and international T-72 upgrade programs in many countries.
P.S. Forgot about that amusing ban thread here... Well, i will not diskuss moderation in open thread.
Keep in mind, T-72 is much more advanced tank, gain much more from upgrade, and remain more or less common with own russian and international T-72 upgrade programs in many countries.
P.S. Forgot about that amusing ban thread here... Well, i will not diskuss moderation in open thread.
I am in agreement with you there, thus the reason why they have been placed in training, interior and secondary units.
Most training units have T-72. I think T-55 might be only found in russian marines service - but here i'm unsure. T-55 might be hard to replace for them due to its low weight.
I suspect Jane (as magazin, not as a man lol) got its information about 1000+ T-55 from CFE treaty report. They could sneak in that report if they are stored west of Ural. However, that doesnt mean T-55 is in russian army service.
T-62 on the other hand is known to be in interior troops possesion. I doubt there was any particular reason to equip these troops with T-62 instead of T-72 except, may be, general army unwillingness to give interior troops as good weapon as army have themselfes.
My information is based out of U.S D.O.D, this makes a good research project for me to find out at what capacity that they are being used and where are they based out of.
On service only the Army without Internal Ministry forces and Marines:
T-54/55 - 1031; T-62 - 689; T-72 — 2144; T-80 — 3045; T-90 — 208. All- 7117. The remained are in storage. US CIA open source, 2007.
Ta.
Got a more precise source for that? I'd like it because I'm sure it has more information.
Are stating that the Army alone still has 1031 still on the roster.
It's via a russian specialised tank forum with very limited axcess, sorry.
I can give another source, the Romanian military journal, 2002:
All tanks - 21 820
1 200 T-55
2 020 T-62
4 300 T-64 A/B
9 700 T-72 L/M
4 500 T-80/-U/-UD/-UM
150 T-90
(8 000 tanks on conservation)
150 PT-76
2 000 BRMD-2
7 500 BMP-1
4 600 BMP-2
100 BMP-3
1 800 BMD
700 BRM-1K
900 BTR-80 including conservation)
1 000 BTR-50
4 900 BTR-60/-70/-80
575 BTR-D
4 800 MT-LB
http://gmr.mapn.ro/Arhiva_pdf/2002/Revista-4.pdf
Don't wanna comment all but every old piece like T-55 .. T-62 etc.. thats all in reserve .. and from 9700 T-72 many are in reserve too , not all active , same for T-80.
Those tank numbers look the same as those in the IISS Military Balance a few years ago, from memory (no copies to hand). They've not changed much in recent editions, IIRC.