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kato

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This was discussed in another thread, & kato pointed out that the H145Ms wouldn't replace the Tigers, but take over a limited part of their role, freeing up the Tiger fleet to concentrate on its main roles.
Since it's currently in the press here again:
  • Per current plans it looks like the Bundeswehr is intending to cancel participation in the French-Spanish Tiger Mk III upgrade.
    • They would therefore then phase out Tiger long-term over an extended timeframe between 2031 and 2038, i.e. after a total in-service time for the helicopter type of 35 years.
    • Rumours-wise this would occur with a possible gradual annual reduction of the fleet by 5-6 helicopters over that timeframe.
  • The beginning of this phase-out (2031) broadly coincides with the limits of practical usability in German service without upgrades, primarily with regard to carried missiles.
    • It is planned to extend usability of HOT 2/3 as primary anti-tank missile system for German Tigers to 2032 (previously 2027).
    • In addition integrating Spike-LR2 (or other variant, ER2 has been mentioned before) as a replacement is being evaluated, with a possible earliest introduction in 2030.
    • Notably PARS3 LR (MBDA Trigat-LR / A3CG) is not being mentioned in this context at all. The system - only being used by Germany - has experienced extreme performance issues.
  • The end of this phase-out (2038) broadly concides with the end of manufacturer warranty (in the sense of ensured supply availability) for critical components such as transmission or fire-control systems. This warranty in the German contracts was laid down as 20.5 years.
    • There is some contention between the government and the manufacturer whether this duration is from the manufacturing date (of the component), from the delivery date (of the helicopter) or the actual in-service date (with the troops). The last German Tiger was delivered in July 2018. The task of a juristical clear-up of this has been handed to OCCAR.
  • Germany has formally announced to NATO a target for 2032 to field 48 anti-tank helicopters, i.e. after the beginning of the above period.
    • It is planned to fulfill this obligation using Tiger, possibly supplemented by other, unmanned systems (note: not H145M).
    • The relevant number in this regard is that under current upgrade projects, 43 Tiger will have been upgraded to the German ASGARD-F standard by 2027; therefore some sort of supplement will likely be necessary unless the number would still be mixed with Mk I level Tiger UHT.
  • There are ongoing evaluations regarding possible future replacement after that, although this is more on a doctrine level than a system level. These evaluations include possible re-evaluation of mission doctrines in light of potential other solutions (i.e. e.g. "light combat helicopters" or unmanned systems).
  • With regard to H145M procurement as a "light combat helicopter", it should be noted that in the same documents the H145M procurement is primarily considered to be a "quick-win solution" in light of the current "threat perception" (read: Ukraine War) with "cost and risk reduction over longer-term Tiger upgrades".

Primary source for above - alongside recent newspaper reports - is BT-Drs. 20/6246 dated March 29th, an answer from the government to questions of opposition faction CDU/CSU with regard to "Future of the Weapon System Tiger in the Bundeswehr as capability carrier Combat Helicopter".
Most answers given in this are classified to various degrees, the above is from the public non-classified answers. Keep in mind that in such answers the government will only answer the exact question asked; hence some things are not detailed since there was no question fielded (see e.g. PARS3 above).
 
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kato

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Looks like no one managed to bang out (eject) in time.
The pilot successfully ejected, landed outside the perimeter fence of the airbase and is in hospital.

 

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The pilot successfully ejected, landed outside the perimeter fence of the airbase and is in hospital.

That's great. Am pleased to know that. Thanks.
 

Ananda

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Few days old news, put it as this is afterall Iran "build" first transport turboprop. Iran claim this as indigenous project, but previous tracks shown this resulted from Iran Aviation Industry work with Russian Airframes manufacturers Aviakor. Aviakor it self used to work with Antonov for AN-140 manufacturing contract.

Aviakor seems uses AN-140 as base on unsanction project for transport modification base with Iran Aerospace Industry. Regardless it is still achievement for Iran Aerospace sector.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Few days old news, put it as this is afterall Iran "build" first transport turboprop. Iran claim this as indigenous project, but previous tracks shown this resulted from Iran Aviation Industry work with Russian Airframes manufacturers Aviakor. Aviakor it self used to work with Antonov for AN-140 manufacturing contract.

Aviakor seems uses AN-140 as base on unsanction project for transport modification base with Iran Aerospace Industry. Regardless it is still achievement for Iran Aerospace sector.
The nose and fuselage is indeed very similar to the An-140, but the empenage looks like its straight taken from the CN-235.
 

Ananda

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Paris Airshow/Le Bourget summary on the defense sector in this video. Asside the ussual players, personally my take on the video (on less the ussual):
  1. Belgium stated their intentions to join Dasault-Airbus NGF program,
  2. Turkish Aerospace comes big in this Airshow,
  3. Rafael hypersonic missile interceptor.
 

John Fedup

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Nothing really significantly new in this NGAD article. It mentions that there are possibly three demonstrators but the competition is down to two companies (likely teams of companies) now and a winner will be selected in 2024. No information on the other NGAD program for the USN (FA/XX).

 

SolarisKenzo

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An extremely important news that will eventually shape european fighter pilots training.
More details:

KNDS France ( former Nexter ) also already announced the integration of a new 20mm pod.

This is really a big news!
 

ngatimozart

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Not really a surprise given the other military kit orders from France. There could be future Indian French collaboration on aircraft carriers and new gen naval aircraft, projects that other Euro partners probably don’t want to invest in.
Makes sense from a strategic POV as well because the Indians, like the Indonesians don't want to be reliant on the US with it's habit of sanctioning those who upset them. The French a far more pragmatic about such things.
 

Ananda

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Thai AF and PLAAF aerial exercises Falcon Strike 2023. Seems the exercise emphasize on Aerial Network and Command control environment. Thai AF bring their Erieye and Gripen, while PLAAF bring their Y-9 SEE with quite complete portfolio of Fighters.

As usual Thai does not bring their F-16 participating on the exercise, more on handling US sensitivity.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Thai AF and PLAAF aerial exercises Falcon Strike 2023. Seems the exercise emphasize on Aerial Network and Command control environment. Thai AF bring their Erieye and Gripen, while PLAAF bring their Y-9 SEE with quite complete portfolio of Fighters.

As usual Thai does not bring their F-16 participating on the exercise, more on handling US sensitivity.
This is indeed a nice collection, a great day for aeroplane spotters. I wonder if their Y-9W/KJ-500 has ELINT capabilities, it's a perfect opportunity to learn more about the Erieye.
 

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I recall nearly a year and a half ago word came out there were plans underway to produce new build Grumman Albatross'
And now this.
Sorry, but I can't help but think that a clean sheet new "modern" design would have a greater chance (albeit slim) to garner interest.
The PBY-3 / 5 Catalina had huge endurance, more than the vast majority of modern platforms. IMHO Cavalier and Basler ruined perfectly good aircraft by installing turboprop engines on them. They don't sound anywhere as good.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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The Benin Airforce is a small airforce and we don't know much about it, but at least we know now that they have 3 AS332 Super Pumas and 2 AS350 helicopters in their fleet.
 
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