Middle East Defence & Security

rsemmes

Active Member
Two points of view on the resurgence of combat...

El Memorando de Entendimiento no debe interpretarse como una concesión gratuita a Teherán, sino como el reconocimiento de que la guerra ha reducido el margen de maniobra de ambas partes. Como resume en su análisis, "los términos del acuerdo representan una sumisión no a Teherán, sino a la realidad".
Por eso, plantea una pregunta incómoda para los más belicistas: ¿Cuál es la alternativa? ¿Más bombardeos? ¿Más sanciones? ¿Una guerra todavía más larga?. Su respuesta es que ninguna de esas opciones garantiza un resultado mejor y que todas implican asumir costes adicionales para Estados Unidos y sus aliados.

The Memorandum is not a surrender to Tehran, but to reality. (What reminds me of Russia-Ukraine, a peace agreement is not a surrender, but facing reality.) A reality that leads us to a difficult question: What is the option? More bombing, more sanctions, a longer war? None of those options make a better result certain and all of them imply a higher cost. (And again, what is a good option for Ukraine?)

-https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/07/iran-controls-war-trump/687848/ (Paywall)-
El analista de The Atlantic, Tom Nichols, llega a una conclusión distinta. Sostiene que la Administración estadounidense ha dejado de marcar el ritmo de la guerra y actúa cada vez más en respuesta a las decisiones de Teherán. En su opinión, Washington sobrestimó la fragilidad del régimen iraní, infravaloró su capacidad para mantener la presión sobre Ormuz y terminó reaccionando a una escalada que ya no controla plenamente.
Así, la superioridad militar estadounidense puede seguir produciendo victorias tácticas sin lograr una solución política al conflicto, y ahí reside precisamente el auténtico cambio estratégico. La Casa Blanca ya no bombardea únicamente para responder a un ataque. Bombardea porque el tiempo ha dejado de jugar a su favor y sus misiles ya forman parte de la negociación.

Washington is no longer in control, just reacting to Tehran. This new bombing campaign is part of the negotiation, time is against the US.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Two points of view on the resurgence of combat...

El Memorando de Entendimiento no debe interpretarse como una concesión gratuita a Teherán, sino como el reconocimiento de que la guerra ha reducido el margen de maniobra de ambas partes. Como resume en su análisis, "los términos del acuerdo representan una sumisión no a Teherán, sino a la realidad".
Por eso, plantea una pregunta incómoda para los más belicistas: ¿Cuál es la alternativa? ¿Más bombardeos? ¿Más sanciones? ¿Una guerra todavía más larga?. Su respuesta es que ninguna de esas opciones garantiza un resultado mejor y que todas implican asumir costes adicionales para Estados Unidos y sus aliados.

The Memorandum is not a surrender to Tehran, but to reality. (What reminds me of Russia-Ukraine, a peace agreement is not a surrender, but facing reality.) A reality that leads us to a difficult question: What is the option? More bombing, more sanctions, a longer war? None of those options make a better result certain and all of them imply a higher cost. (And again, what is a good option for Ukraine?)

-https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/07/iran-controls-war-trump/687848/ (Paywall)-
El analista de The Atlantic, Tom Nichols, llega a una conclusión distinta. Sostiene que la Administración estadounidense ha dejado de marcar el ritmo de la guerra y actúa cada vez más en respuesta a las decisiones de Teherán. En su opinión, Washington sobrestimó la fragilidad del régimen iraní, infravaloró su capacidad para mantener la presión sobre Ormuz y terminó reaccionando a una escalada que ya no controla plenamente.
Así, la superioridad militar estadounidense puede seguir produciendo victorias tácticas sin lograr una solución política al conflicto, y ahí reside precisamente el auténtico cambio estratégico. La Casa Blanca ya no bombardea únicamente para responder a un ataque. Bombardea porque el tiempo ha dejado de jugar a su favor y sus misiles ya forman parte de la negociación.

Washington is no longer in control, just reacting to Tehran. This new bombing campaign is part of the negotiation, time is against the US.
The only solution is boots on the ground, preferably with allies (like GW 1) to end the ayatollahs and their republican guard albeit Trump piSSing off most of America's allies makes this solution impossible. The other option, equally impossible, is to give the ayatollahs want the want, nukes...from the bomb bay doors of a B-2 along with ballistic missiles.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Boots on the ground in Iran is science fiction.
Not science fiction, a solution that might have been supported by allies (including ME allies) with any US president other than Trump to end the ayatollah rot in Iran. As for the final outcome, it could be something that normal people absolutely don’t want but would be perfectly acceptable to ayatollahs.
 
A full-scale invasion of IRAN? I think that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown us what would happen after the war was "won" and a full-scale insurgency got some time to get up to steam. Just as Israel is learning again and again, you cant kill yourself to a lasting peace deal. The only way to deal with Iran is a Carrot and stick approach in which both the carrots and sticks are big enough to entice certain behaviors.
 
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rsemmes

Active Member
The only solution is boots on the ground, preferably with allies (like GW 1) to end the ayatollahs and their republican guard albeit Trump piSSing off most of America's allies makes this solution impossible. The other option, equally impossible, is to give the ayatollahs want the want, nukes...from the bomb bay doors of a B-2 along with ballistic missiles.
Oh well, if you are just for the US imposing its will through nukes... You should explain that to Greenlanders.

If we go back to a world without American dictators and his obedient servants... How many boots? How many casualties to get there? How long do they have to be there? The same level of corruption that in Iraq or more? Do you want to impose another bloody dictator like the Shah o can Trump rule them as a Viceroy? Why should allies support the expansion of the American Empire? Is US the ruler of the world?
Do you support those who want to end Republican rot in the US too?

It seems that you are quite happy with criminal and illegal invasions, only if done by the US?
 

SolarisKenzo

Well-Known Member
Not science fiction, a solution that might have been supported by allies (including ME allies) with any US president other than Trump to end the ayatollah rot in Iran. As for the final outcome, it could be something that normal people absolutely don’t want but would be perfectly acceptable to ayatollahs.
To think that you can invade a 92 million people country, with its 1 648 195 km^2 mostly covered by mountains and a millenary history as a regional power is not even science fiction, its beyond it.

To be honest I think that even the airstrikes on Iran that started in february are the result of having mad men in power. Totally disconnected from reality.
Look at where the US are now. Did they solve anything? Apart from killing politicians and leaders of sovereign states, violating basically every international law, causing a world-wide energy shortage and destroying the last bits of their reputation while guaranteeing the iranian regime a bright future of government...

Also, I totally see europeans or middle eastern sending troops to invade Iran. 100%. It's not even funny as a joke.
Trump's been crying for the last 4 months because the euros completely trashed him and refused to even let his jets refuel in Europe.
Do you see anyone joining last minute for a suicidal invasion?

Come on, one must be either completely blind or plain stupid to not understand that if the middle east is a complete shit show, devastated by war and full of terrorism, is mostly thanks to the policies of the US and israel after 1948.
 
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