Light Tanks
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Granted - combat engineers have some nifty devices to clear roadways and minefields, a micklick device is pretty impressive when clearing minefields.
When you put it that way,I guess it is only wishfull thinking on my part, it is really frustrating seeing my brothers in arms and the Iraqi civilians losing their lives to these type of devices.
Thats alot of Comp B there Manfred.
you should try cooking with it.If we are talking purely command detonated mines, then you don't need to find them, you jam them.
That will cost 10K to 12KUSD to protect the vehicle... (mind you, same system from Thales costs 250K... go figure) But then, you are going to have hard wired command detonated mines to counter the radio jamming and so it goes.
There are also other ways to clear a route, but to be honest, some of the guys who come up with these great ideas are frakking fruitcakes and they ( the ideas) will never see the light of day.
anyway, my name's not lockheed or GDLS, so looks like anyone in a tank is fair game for the time being and the Abrams will have to rely on the new "belly plate" that "Do-we-screw-them-and-how?" (GDLS) have come up with.
( no ill feeling from moi, eh?)
cheers
w
Thanks Wooki for posting this, at that cost you would think that they would be a little more pro active in getting something fielded. The damage that would be caused by a IED costs more than setting something up along these lines, plus think of all the lives it would save.
FutureTank
Banned Member
Just curious. What do people think about a specialist mine countermeasures vehicle (light tank even) that can be integrated at company level by retaining some form of firepower capability?
It would be nice, what type of explosive devices would it be able to defeat.
FutureTank
Banned Member
I see it as a Stryker-based vehicle but with a substantially elevated suspension, much greater chassis armour, and a sensor suite.
Forward hull station with remote-operation 'arms' and detonation firearm.
Turret with a Bushmaster to detonate weapons and also engage operators.
It seems to me the sappers would need to be able to engage all manner of possible threats, even roadside video recorders, aside from the mine countermeasures (which still pose a threat in many global regions from past conflicts).
Does anybody use something set up in this type of configuration, I have seen vehicles with remote operating arms, but they did not have any type of real firepower and I am not sure as to what type of sensors that were carried on it.
FutureTank
Banned Member
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And what kind of sensors should that be?
If you are able to build a snesor which is able to find a big couple of 152mm rounds UNDER the street (canalisation) or "just" one 152mm round IED like this...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/images/ied-iraq_artillery-shell-bag01.jpg
...or this...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/images/ied-iraq-shell-concrete.jpg
...you are going to be a rich man.
How to find this when you are on patrol without needing one hour for 100m?
If you are able to build a snesor which is able to find a big couple of 152mm rounds UNDER the street (canalisation) or "just" one 152mm round IED like this...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/images/ied-iraq_artillery-shell-bag01.jpg
...or this...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/images/ied-iraq-shell-concrete.jpg
...you are going to be a rich man.
How to find this when you are on patrol without needing one hour for 100m?
mmmm, that's easier then you think, especially if you can use a protein for detection. For example, cocaine is proably one of the easiest things to detect because you can readily synthesize a chemical that will bound with a cocaine protein... place it in a polymer helix with a light shining through it and you have just created a cocaine detector that is 500 times more sensitive then a dog. Trouble is that it goes off when you exchange any money as most US dollars have been contaminated by cocaine proteins....
this discovery is a good thing, as it also means that most shell casings will have been contaminated in some way shape or form, by a product that receives wide circulation within a society.
So if ( for example) our 152 mm shell casings are manufactured in a certain region within Russia (or what have you) you may be able to detect said shell casing by actually looking for an organic protein that is common where the shell casing was manufactured.
To pin point it you combine that with detection of multiple proteins, as well as your normal synthetic chemical detectors.
It would certainly be well worth looking at for detecting explosives in Afghanistan as I bet you 100:1 that bomb makers there have been exposed to the Opiate family of proteins, so a bomb produced, would have a similar contamination. Even buried it could set off the detector from 10's of meters away.
cheers
w
These sniffers may work well at airport controls but I bet that building one which works in nature while driving with 50km/h on a full street full of dirt, dust, etc. is another challenge.
This is the main problem in my eyes.
You have to be able to do your normal work.
For sure you could search every meter before you with newest tech and manpower but than you would need hours for some hundred meters.
cheers
This is the main problem in my eyes.
You have to be able to do your normal work.
For sure you could search every meter before you with newest tech and manpower but than you would need hours for some hundred meters.
cheers
FutureTank
Banned Member
Yes, it has to be integrated into the unit's normal work.These sniffers may work well at airport controls but I bet that building one which works in nature while driving with 50km/h on a full street full of dirt, dust, etc. is another challenge.
This is the main problem in my eyes.
You have to be able to do your normal work.
For sure you could search every meter before you with newest tech and manpower but than you would need hours for some hundred meters.
cheers
This is why I suggest a specialised vehicle.
In terms of sensors I was primarily thinking of detecting emitters within a fairly large area of at least 1000m. I may be wrong, but protein detectors have a fairly limited range.
Another sensor currently in use by police forces (forensic) is to search for soil/surface disturbance which is symptomatic of buried ordinance. However these are slow, and to serve a moving unit this would need to be performed by a detecting vehicle able to maintain the speed of the column. I can only think of an airborne detector, and I believe there are various projects into this that allow route scanning from a remotely piloted drone. However, are these vehicles not an easy target by the virtue of their having to be operated in a very predictable flight path?
FutureTank
Banned Member
There is such a variety that the sappers would have to be ready for anything.
Is it a good idea to create special route clearance units as opposed to the engineer units that exist now for more conventional combat support field work?
Isn`t it amazing what you can purchase on Ebay.Ok, I try to keep up, but this one missed my attention, and they are already making commemorative models in solid wood!!
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nfloorl:Interesting picture of the shell in concrete, we aren`t dealing with a bunch of idiots are we.
How much involvement has Israel had with the U.S in helping us out with some of the technology/experience that they have.