Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force Thread

[Ananda]

Now we await the howls of "righteous" outrage to emanate from Beijing

And Japan will build new carrier class as Shokaku and Zuikaku..

Sorry can't help it..but seriously..did the Beijing really think with PLAN build carriers..that Japan will not considering building their own ?

Beijing should really hope that US bases will still be in Japan..since if US left..then Japan will rearmed herself in much faster paces..well even with Nukes..
Afterall they got tons of plutonium in reserve..and they have enough tech to build nukes in matter of months only..it's just matter of national will.

 

[Todjaeger]

Beijing should really hope that US bases will still be in Japan..since if US left..then Japan will rearmed herself in much faster paces..well even with Nukes.. Afterall they got tons of plutonium in reserve..and they have enough tech to build nukes in matter of months only..it's just matter of national will.

I suspect the actual time required to construct a device would be more accurately listed as weeks, or perhaps even just days.

 

[Ananda]

I suspect the actual time required to construct a device would be more accurately listed as weeks, or perhaps even just days.

I stretching to months just on conservative assessment. Japan off course not publicly open their actual Tech capabilities on Nukes device for political reason both domestic and international. Still I agree with your suspicion that the actual capabilities is more than conservative assessment.

Back to Izumo class and F-35B..found more article on that;
岩屋防衛相、いずも“空母化”とＦ３５Ｂ導入を示唆

Bit confused on translation..It's the LDP assessment for the Self Defence Force to equip the Izumo's for F-35B..or the suggest to build larger multipurpose ship for F-35B..

I tend to considered both..once (forgot where, but it's a Japanese article) that shown drawings on larger versions of Izumo with close to 300m length (compared to Izumo's less than 260m length)..

 

[hauritz]

I stretching to months just on conservative assessment. Japan off course not publicly open their actual Tech capabilities on Nukes device for political reason both domestic and international. Still I agree with your suspicion that the actual capabilities is more than conservative assessment.

Back to Izumo class and F-35B..found more article on that;
岩屋防衛相、いずも“空母化”とＦ３５Ｂ導入を示唆

Bit confused on translation..It's the LDP assessment for the Self Defence Force to equip the Izumo's for F-35B..or the suggest to build larger multipurpose ship for F-35B..

I tend to considered both..once (forgot where, but it's a Japanese article) that shown drawings on larger versions of Izumo with close to 300m length (compared to Izumo's less than 260m length)..

The Japanese used to have the second largest carrier fleet in the world. I think the Japanese have been pretty obviously planning on reentering carrier business for a couple of decades now.

It all started with a test of concept with the Hyuga class, followed by the Izumas and there is no reason to believe they will stop there. They have been quietly building an escort fleet second only to the United States as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they had at least one carrier battle group up and running in around 4 or 5 years.

 

[King Wally]

Sound strategy for the Japanese.

I'm wondering would a Ski-Jump be required on the Izumas to launch fully fueled and bombed up F35-B's? Obviously the USMC doesn't bother but their Amphibious ships may have larger decks?

And if so does such a modification appear difficult?

 

[SpazSinbad]

Japan Set to Procure F-35B STOVL Aircraft for JMSDF Izumo-class 'helicopter destroyer'

I've seen a model of the transformation of IZUMO featuring a ski jump but I do not know the origin of this model. Wanna see it? Hang on..... How difficult? No idea.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ima...or_JMSDF_Izumo-class_helicopter_destroyer.jpg

 

[King Wally]

Thanks Spaz... in my mind I pictured it being more central with the jump constructed at the very tip but now I see that forward lift is in the way. I mean the mod looks straight forward enough. Plus there would appear to still exist reasonable parking space even once you move everything around.

 

[SpazSinbad]

Those JBDs on the model are probably bogus but they may be necessary due small size of deck - they could be removed/put level with deck to increase take off distance. Early days.

 

[ngatimozart]

Also I don't think that the RN wouldn't have to many problems providing technical support for the ski jump side of things until the JMSDF get up and running. They will have solved many of the associated problems.

 

[t68]

Didn't the Japanese send a delegation to the UK to give QE the once over?

id imagine that Izumo would be an interim capability going forward

 

[spoz]

Not all that difficult I should think - the Poms addeda ski jump to Hermes fairly easily; provided you have the margins it’s just ironwork.

 

[rockitten]

Japan Set to Procure F-35B STOVL Aircraft for JMSDF Izumo-class 'helicopter destroyer'

I've seen a model of the transformation of IZUMO featuring a ski jump but I do not know the origin of this model. Wanna see it? Hang on..... How difficult? No idea.View attachment 46338

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ima...or_JMSDF_Izumo-class_helicopter_destroyer.jpgView attachment 46339

Spaz, that's a model for a japanese fictional comic about a Jutland style naval battle between Japan and China, and the design has totally nothing to do with Izumo.....

That said though, if I am a MP and there is a vote for getting F-35B with red kangaroo for the LHDs, I will surely vote yes.

 

[SpazSinbad]

Thanks for graphic and info. As I said I have/had no idea about the model, JPGs being sent to me via e-mail with no supporting facts. Do you have an ENGLISH URL link please? Thanks.

 

[John Fedup]

If China maintains its aggressive stance over the SCS, it might not only be Japan considering an naval air capability. The F-35B combined with one of the several LHD designs available is an affordable solution for some of the nations in the area assuming the US would allow F-35B to be sold.

 

[John Fedup]

I suspect the actual time required to construct a device would be more accurately listed as weeks, or perhaps even just days.

Maybe they have them already and are even more secretive than Israel about there existence.

 

[Ananda]

Maybe they have them already and are even more secretive than Israel about there existence.

Israel domestic public more or less support their nuclear weapons as part of their survival existence.
However the Japanese public still in majority did not support Nuclear weapons. Building them at present condition open political risk for any Japanese administration. Still I do believe Japanese did maintain the Tech, which they will used it when situation deemed necessary. Again, they do have significant amount of plutonium for 'research' purpose.

Present Admin (Abe) will do it, I suspect..if they see the domestic mood changes..

 

[John Fedup]

China seems to be going out of its way to change the Japanese public’s mood on this issue. Naval air may only be the first step in enhanced defence policy. The perception of US disengagement, real or not, also is driving renewed defence awareness.

 

[SpazSinbad]

Perhaps an old story now that the cat is out of the bag regarding F-35Bs onboard IZUMO class, however it highlights the ease with which modifications may be made to accommodate them including a ski jump. What the result will be is anyone's guess at this point until official plans released.

"...Asahi Shimbun's sources went on to say that a consensus was privately reached among the service's leadership that the Izumo class would be designed for conversion into a fixed-wing capable aircraft carrier in the future but the Japanese government would deny this due to the issues surrounding violating Article Nine of the Japanese constitution.... The article goes on to outline that the class's hangar and elevators were built to dimensions that could accommodate the F-35B and the MV-22 Osprey—Japan already has MV-22s on order. Even the class's flight deck can supposedly withstand the heat and pressure generated by the F-35's scorching exhaust. The official also says the carriers' deck would likely be modified with a ski-jump if the F-35B were acquired.... 27 Feb 2018 Officials Admit Japan's 'Helicopter Destroyers' Were Also Designed For Jets

http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/f...tcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/jjajad92.jpg

 

[Redlands18]

Spaz, that's a model for a japanese fictional comic about a Jutland style naval battle between Japan and China, and the design has totally nothing to do with Izumo.....

That said though, if I am a MP and there is a vote for getting F-35B with red kangaroo for the LHDs, I will surely vote yes.

Jutland? couldn't think of a less likely type of Battle for Japan & China to fight.

 

[swerve]

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I tend to considered both..once (forgot where, but it's a Japanese article) that shown drawings on larger versions of Izumo with close to 300m length (compared to Izumo's less than 260m length)..

Izumo & Kaga are a few metres longer than Cavour, which was designed to operate F-35B, & the deck's just 1 metre narrower. About the same displacement & power.

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After all they got tons of plutonium in reserve..and they have enough tech to build nukes in matter of months only..it's just matter of national will.

And their space program provides them with the basis for missiles of any range they want.