Japan gearing up to acquire F-35 fighters

JonMusser

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And yet, in post #9, you yourself stated:

Clearly if no information has been made public, it's a bit premature for you to be stating it was designed specifically to operate fixed wing aircraft. So what's the story? One rule for you, and another rule for everyone else?
Clearly Agree! however i still protest this not being in navel thread and instead being Air Force section
 

Ozzy Blizzard

New Member
Sorry, virtually no information has been made public about the specific design of the 22DDH. All we know for sure is it will be ~248m long and have a light displacement of 19,500 tons. (some quote 22.500 tons) Regardless, I don't see how anyone could make claims about its particularly features. Unless they have a source that provides more details of the design. (Highly unlikely from the Japanese at this Stage!)


That said, I would be happy to concide the point. If, a reliable source is provided........
That my friend is the definition of a self defeating argument.

BTW "sigh"
Well it gets a little old when you address a statement 3 times.
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
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And yet, in post #9, you yourself stated:



Clearly if no information has been made public, it's a bit premature for you to be stating it was designed specifically to operate fixed wing aircraft. So what's the story? One rule for you, and another rule for everyone else?

No, this is exactly what I said..............


Quote from post # 9


As a matter of fact the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour is 232m long and 22,000 tons. Which, means the Japanese 22DDH is slightly larger (very slightly) and its was design from the outset to operate F-35B's.

" its was designed from the outset to operate F-35's" Was in reference to the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour. Which, is of similar size to the 22DDH. (my point)

You are taking my words waaaay out of context!

BTW I "never" stated the 22DDH's were specifically designed to operate fixed winged aircraft. I just plainly stated they are similar in size! Then left the door open.............:duel
 

JonMusser

New Member
No, this is exactly what I said..............


Quote from post # 9


As a matter of fact the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour is 232m long and 22,000 tons. Which, means the Japanese 22DDH is slightly larger (very slightly) and its was design from the outset to operate F-35B's.

" its was designed from the outset to operate F-35's" Was in reference to the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour. Which, is of similar size to the 22DDH. (my point)

You are taking my words waaaay out of context!

BTW I "never" stated the 22DDH's were specifically designed to operate fixed winged aircraft. I just plainly stated they are similar in size! Then left the door open.............:duel
okay you need to be more clear i would also suggest that there is no plans in Japan to purchase the F35B which is a the VTOL version of the F35 so chances are that it is not going to happen
this 22DDH seems awesome but there is no concrete evidence yet of what it may be i would like to see Japan with a larger Global; role i just do not see it happening any time soon and i really think japan is taking baby steps right now in regard to carriers any way why not ratify the constitution and call the stinking things CVA's
 

Bonza

Super Moderator
Staff member
No, this is exactly what I said..............


Quote from post # 9


As a matter of fact the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour is 232m long and 22,000 tons. Which, means the Japanese 22DDH is slightly larger (very slightly) and its was design from the outset to operate F-35B's.

" its was designed from the outset to operate F-35's" Was in reference to the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour. Which, is of similar size to the 22DDH. (my point)

You are taking my words waaaay out of context!

BTW I "never" stated the 22DDH's were specifically designed to operate fixed winged aircraft. I just plainly stated they are similar in size! Then left the door open.............:duel
Is that what you meant? Well then you might want to think about the clarity of your posts - every time I read that quote it still looks as though you're referring to the 22DDH, because in the relevant sentence the 22DDH is the subject. It wasn't "plainly stated" at all.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
lets make this really really really clear

this thread will not be allowed to deteriorate into some stupid contest where it will be argued to the "n"th degree.

if threads and responses are taken out of context then posts will be summarily deleted without warning.

All of the Mods are absolutely sick to death of having to micro-manage threads unnecessarily.

and to make it abundantly clear - my responses have been geared around the Hyuga class.

This will be the last warning from any of the Mods about topics derailing.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
says nothing about aircraft carrier,but my japanese mate swears they are not aloud to purchase fixed wing aircraft carriers.
Regards
The official interpretation is given here.

Note the very careful use of words:

...it is unconstitutional to possess what is referred to as offensive weapons that, from their performance, are to be used exclusively for total destruction of other countries, since it immediately exceeds the minimum level necessary for self-defense. For instance, the SDF is not allowed to possess ICBMs, long-range strategic bombers or offensive aircraft carriers.
(my emphasis)

The possibility of building aircraft carriers is left open, as long as they can be justified for defensive purposes. Also note that the constitution says absolutely nothing about specific weapons, such as aircraft carriers: it's all in the interpretation.
 
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