Old video about Merkava-3's on the Gaza border. You can see the work of the loader. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoyguOcALXs
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Weird. I stopped the video just at the scene when you can see the loader doing his work and i can't see any amunition storage in the back of the turret. He takes the shell from the storage in the trunk/chassis and has to do a lot of lifting to load the gun.extern said:Old video about Merkava-3's on the Gaza border. You can see the work of the loader. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoyguOcALXs
Is all the amunition stored in the trunk/chassis of the Merkava 3? I noticed the new turret to be leaner than the old one, but wouldn't have expected that.
That way the loader will get tired in a longer battle or drop a shell if he is tired or the tank moves roughly while he is loading, or both.
DoC_FouALieR
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I duno for the Merkava 3, but if you look at the Merkava 4vidéo, you will notice that the rounds are located in the turret bustle..Is all the amunition stored in the trunk/chassis of the Merkava 3?
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Saw those merkava videos, they´re great.
2 questions:
- It´s my understanding tanks usually have 2 type of main gun ammunition, one is a penetrator round for use against other tanks, and one is HE for softer targets such as APC, infantry, bunkers or helicopters. In the video, when the loader picks up a round from the storage compartment, how does he select the type of round?
- In the video we see some explosions from what seem main gun rounds with a spectacular visual effect, like fireworks. Would that be Heat rounds, or some other type of ammunition?
.pt
Saw those merkava videos, they´re great.
2 questions:
- It´s my understanding tanks usually have 2 type of main gun ammunition, one is a penetrator round for use against other tanks, and one is HE for softer targets such as APC, infantry, bunkers or helicopters. In the video, when the loader picks up a round from the storage compartment, how does he select the type of round?
- In the video we see some explosions from what seem main gun rounds with a spectacular visual effect, like fireworks. Would that be Heat rounds, or some other type of ammunition?
.pt
PommeDeGuerre
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.pt: I would guess the shells that explode like fireworks are white phosphorus. The shell blasts apart the WP, which burns on contact with air and produces a lot of vapour (used for a smokescreen). I guess they'd use it at night (as in the clip) to light up the battlefield.
My knowledge of such things is fairly limited though... I could be completely wrong.
My knowledge of such things is fairly limited though... I could be completely wrong.
Do you mean the black and white scene with the explosions?
They look at the impacts with a thermal imager. Even training ammunition looks big through a TI.
If you have an autoloader (T-series) or a semi-autoloader lie in the Merkavas you just push the button for the right ammo.
If you have a human loader you just make an X or so on one of the round types.
They look at the impacts with a thermal imager. Even training ammunition looks big through a TI.
If you have an autoloader (T-series) or a semi-autoloader lie in the Merkavas you just push the button for the right ammo.
If you have a human loader you just make an X or so on one of the round types.
I cant agree with you more, TrangleC. Indeed, this method of loading I hardly can specify as effective in the condition of quick moving on the stony ground.TrangleC said:That way the loader will get tired in a longer battle or drop a shell if he is tired or the tank moves roughly while he is loading, or both.
For cummulative spout or DU APFSD sabot that penetrates the 900+ mm armor it is not important at all, has Merkava its rounds in the turret bustle or not. The only thing important for hitting probability - is the area of cross-section. Bcoz Merkava has bigger armory that any T-xx, the probability of meeting its armory with the incoming cummulative jet is higher.DoC_FouALieR said:I duno for the Merkava 3, but if you look at the Merkava 4vidéo, you will notice that the rounds are located in the turret bustle..
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PommeDeGuerre
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Waylander: I just flipped through the Merkava 4 video to about 3:39. It just looks like normal video to me, although I guess there's probably not nearly enough smoke for WP... looks like a bunch of sparks falling. Would that just be some sort of training round then?
Ups, my mistake. I looked at the first video.
The explosions you mean are no main rounds they are from the smoke dischargers. There are two types of smoke normally used on tanks. Normal smoke grenades and thermal smoke grenades. The second ones are also working against TIs.
Just seconds after the first explosion you can see the same picture through a TI.
The explosions you mean are no main rounds they are from the smoke dischargers. There are two types of smoke normally used on tanks. Normal smoke grenades and thermal smoke grenades. The second ones are also working against TIs.
Just seconds after the first explosion you can see the same picture through a TI.
Like those on the picture:Waylander said:Ups, my mistake. I looked at the first video.
The explosions you mean are no main rounds they are from the smoke dischargers.