Iraqi Air Force wants F-15 and F-16s

beleg

New Member
Well it had hit the aviation mags in early 90s. It is said Airforce officers went to see the airframes. But there was a conflict about who should use the planes, air force or army aviation and this long debate ended with refusal of the platforms if i recall correctly.

During same period if i recall correctly there were F-15A transfer options too but that didn't materialize because the airframes were too old.
 

orko_8

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Hmm - this is the first time of me hearing this, I was told because of the gun system that we would not sell it to anyone including our allies, NATO members included, but I may be wrong.
50 A-10A's were offered by US in 1994 and the sale was approved by the Congress. The aircraft were to be selected from AMARC reserves IIRC. The offer was surprisingly refused: Surprisingly, because mid 90's were the hottest times during the struggle against seperatist terrorist organization PKK in East and SouthEast Anatolia as well as Northern Iraq. Possible reasons for the refusal were:

1. Logistics plus cost to assimilate the aircraft into the squadron+operations+doctrine infrastructure
2. Army Aviation - Air Force disaggreement on which bracnh will operate the aircraft - similar to the one in USAF - US Army. AFAIK, US Army had planned to operate some A-10's.
3. Bad condition of the offered airframes.
4. Limited capability, especially inability to operate in night and adverse weather.

TuAF F-15 procurement, AFAIK, came to the agenda twice: First around 1998 when Greece announced plans to procure 40(?) F-15H's. The number was around 80 F-15E's.

The second case was during 2003, just before the OIF. During negotiations with the Turkish government for use of bases to conduct operations in Northern Iraq, USA offered Turkey a huge, repeat huge list of surplus and low-price weaponry of all scale: from LPD to HMMWV's. Among the list was at least two squadrons of F-15A/B's. There were rumors that Malatya MJB's infrastructure was modernized in order to accomodate the Eagle.

When the Turkish Parliament refused the bill for US troops' use of Turkish bases for jump point, the offer went to the garbage bin; so the plans to induct F-15A/B/C/D/E/XX.
 

beleg

New Member
Hmm.. Means i remember wrong. I was quite sure about the F-15 too though. I remember like read it in Ucanturk magazine during my late Junior high years.. Hehe since i am getting old memory malfunctions are normal :)
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
50 A-10A's were offered by US in 1994 and the sale was approved by the Congress. The aircraft were to be selected from AMARC reserves IIRC. The offer was surprisingly refused: Surprisingly, because mid 90's were the hottest times during the struggle against seperatist terrorist organization PKK in East and SouthEast Anatolia as well as Northern Iraq. Possible reasons for the refusal were:

1. Logistics plus cost to assimilate the aircraft into the squadron+operations+doctrine infrastructure
2. Army Aviation - Air Force disaggreement on which bracnh will operate the aircraft - similar to the one in USAF - US Army. AFAIK, US Army had planned to operate some A-10's.
3. Bad condition of the offered airframes.
4. Limited capability, especially inability to operate in night and adverse weather.

TuAF F-15 procurement, AFAIK, came to the agenda twice: First around 1998 when Greece announced plans to procure 40(?) F-15H's. The number was around 80 F-15E's.

The second case was during 2003, just before the OIF. During negotiations with the Turkish government for use of bases to conduct operations in Northern Iraq, USA offered Turkey a huge, repeat huge list of surplus and low-price weaponry of all scale: from LPD to HMMWV's. Among the list was at least two squadrons of F-15A/B's. There were rumors that Malatya MJB's infrastructure was modernized in order to accomodate the Eagle.

When the Turkish Parliament refused the bill for US troops' use of Turkish bases for jump point, the offer went to the garbage bin; so the plans to induct F-15A/B/C/D/E/XX.
Good information - Thank you, to you and Beleg, sounds like we tried to give Turkey initial production air frames and no upgrades.

I remember when the U.S Army wanted the A-10 and what a scuttle that turned into. I wonder why we refused Israel, could it be that we offered it to Turkey because they are a NATO member.
 

ahussains

New Member
impossiable for the Iraqis now they lacks in many areas they didnt use and westren avionics and planes from last two dacades and above every thing US can not supply them F-15 or F16 impossiable
 

BEN1

New Member
There are a number of countries out there that have shown a interest in the Warthog, the problem is that we will not sell it due to what is sticking out of the nose of it.
The GAU-8 is used in the Dutch 30mm goalkeeper CIWS system so I doubt the US have any problems selling the A-10.

I dont think anyone realised just how effective the hog would be until ODS. I'd have thought the West Germans might have bought some. South Korea would be an ideal user, as is anyone wanting an aircraft that can kill tanks and do COIN as well
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
The GAU-8 is used in the Dutch 30mm goalkeeper CIWS system so I doubt the US have any problems selling the A-10.

I dont think anyone realised just how effective the hog would be until ODS. I'd have thought the West Germans might have bought some. South Korea would be an ideal user, as is anyone wanting an aircraft that can kill tanks and do COIN as well
Thanks for the information.:)
 
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