Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. Provokes USN Warships

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Firehorse

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Yes, I was going to mention that too- as per US Constitution, only the Congress can officially declare war. To date, there was no such declaration. "War on terror" is just a misnomer, like "war on drugs" and "war on poverty".
 
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eckherl

The Bunker Group
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Are you still willing to leave everything and put your life on the line?
Here is a true patriot- Major General Smedley Butler. Another one- Dwight D. Eisenhower

Please take time to read those links!
To support my country during a time of war - yes, and I have proven this, have you? are you willing to go to war for your country Firehorse in a time of need or are you one of those that would rather see other men and women go fight for your freedoms while you can sit back and piss and moan about your government and military, I bet you were screaming for revenge when we were attacked though weren`t you, or maybe you actually enjoyed watching innocent people perish in the twin towers and felt we deserved everything that Bin Laden threw at us right, we are such evil Americans aren`t we Firehorse.
 

eckherl

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Technically (legally), the USA are at peace at the moment though.

The operations in Iraq and Afghanistan run only on a authorization of force, not under official declarations of war by congress. This has been explicitly stated such by Gonzales in a Senate Judiciary Hearing.

On another note, he's turning 64 in December and has 42 years of service in his name.
Meaning he already got a deferment (by Rumsfeld?) so he could serve beyond the mandatory retirement age at 40 years of service. Unless he gets a deferment by Bush (would have been unlikely anyway i guess), he should be out by the end of the year.
We are at war on Terrorism and he is not leaving office because he has a hunch that we are going to initiate a war with Iran, that is not going to happen. There is more to the story then what is currently being published, it is funny watching the Democrats trying to spin this against the current administration.
 

Firehorse

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I didn't join this forum to argue, especially with someone who resorts to character assasination. But I'll tell you this: I was very sorry for what happened on 9/11/01, but not really surprized. In Oriental philosophy, there is a universal Law of Retribution. Nothing happens to us that wasn't caused by something we have done to others and/or ourselves. The Colonial America didn't like to be told how to live by the Great Britain, "the mother country',- why do you suppose anyone else in the world would be any different? I would rather fight for my freedom here, if need be, than have others to do that on the other side of the Globe. And I'll leave it at that!
 

eckherl

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I didn't join this forum to argue, especially with someone who resorts to character assasination. But I'll tell you this: I was very sorry for what happened on 9/11/01, but not really surprized. In Oriental philosophy, there is a universal Law of Retribution. Nothing happens to us that wasn't caused by something we have done to others and/or ourselves. The Colonial America didn't like to be told how to live by the Great Britain, "the mother country',- why do you suppose anyone else in the world would be any different? I would rather fight for my freedom here, if need be, than have others to do that on the other side of the Globe. And I'll leave it at that!
Oh but you have joined this forum to throw in your anti American versus pro Chinese, Russian BS, you enjoy in the attempt to inflame others with your rubbish, by saying that you were not surprised on what happened during 911 just confirms with me that you most likely were one of the persons who was dancing in the streets because we deserved it right Firehorse, that is what you are stating with your proverb. And the sad thing with this is that you actually live in America.
 
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Firehorse

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There is rubbish generated and repeated everywhere, as well as information witheld, with plenty of folks ready to believe what they are fed-and I know this 1st hand, as I had the opportunity to travel & talk with all kinds of people. I'm neither "pro" nor "against" anything or anyone- by not getting emotions cloud my judgement, I'm better able, not to enflame, but to think critically & point out flows and delusions in some of the opinions of other's. And I wasn't dancing. If you are ready to die, like many others have, for corporate profits, go ahead and sign on the dotted line again. And please stop this finger pointing- "when 1 finger is pointed at someone, there are 3 more of your fingers pointed back at you!"

"No matter what [Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates] said [Tuesday], we know for a fact Admiral Fallon was fired," said a former senior Defense official who works closely with military officials in the region.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080313/NATION/442198655/1002

Tensions in Gulf waters have eased in the two months since a dangerous stand-off between U.S. and Iranian vessels, the U.S. Navy commander in the region said on Wednesday, warning Iran to avoid further provocations.
.."Full-scale" war with Iran is probably militarily out at this stage, but strikes conducted by air and sea -- with the Navy taking the lead -- are still a very real possibility before the Bush administration is through. And that does make Admiral Fallon's departure worthy of concern. http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8397
Blowback of Iran War Likely to Be 'Terrible'
 
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eckherl

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There is rubbish generated and repeated everywhere, as well as information witheld, with plenty of folks ready to believe what they are fed-and I know this 1st hand, as I had the opportunity to travel & talk with all kinds of people. I'm neither "pro" nor "against" anything or anyone- by not getting emotions cloud my judgement, I'm better able, not to enflame, but to think critically & point out flows and delusions in some of the opinions of other's. And I wasn't dancing. If you are ready to die, like many others have, for corporate profits, go ahead and sign on the dotted line again. And please stop this finger pointing- "when 1 finger is pointed at someone, there are 3 more of your fingers pointed back at you!"



Blowback of Iran War Likely to Be 'Terrible'
Enough of your garbage, everything that you decide to post has something that is negative towards the U.S, you are nothing more that a trouble maker, at least I have the patriotic will to serve my country and not hide behind a computer and talk rubbish against the very same government that keeps you safe, you are nothing more than a ungrateful person who is not worthy of one drop of blood that is shed by our Armed Forces. Only three fingers Firehorse, I have walked in area`s with my head held high and had more than just three fingers pointing at me, some of the fingers were rendering me the one finger salute, but that never bothered me because I have alway`s known where I come from.
 

Grand Danois

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There is rubbish generated and repeated everywhere, as well as information witheld, with plenty of folks ready to believe what they are fed-and I know this 1st hand, as I had the opportunity to travel & talk with all kinds of people.
You alledge information is withheld, however the link you use as a reference discuss public awareness of public, acknowledged and accessible information!

Totally unrelated and inappropriate as backup of your claim and an invalidation of your analysis as coherent.

I'm neither "pro" nor "against" anything or anyone- by not getting emotions cloud my judgement, I'm better able, not to enflame, but to think critically & point out flows and delusions in some of the opinions of other's. And I wasn't dancing. If you are ready to die, like many others have,...
Sorry, but following your postings here, I'd have to conclude that your postings are biased way beyond that of the average poster.

As to critical analysis: anecdotal and emotional material qualify little in such. It doesn't have a place in such. So what is your intent? To attack on an emotional level? Propaganda!

As to the Lancet survey - it has been discredited as representative of fact; not as a scientific survey, but it has been replaced by more accurate surveys, using the same methodology, but better structured and with more numerous samples. The result was very different.

Yet the Lancet survey is used all over the net by emotional and biased people.


...for corporate profits, go ahead and sign on the dotted line again.
Corporate profits? Please. You present yourself as doing critical analysis and yet you accept conspiracy material? :D

The Iraq War is ideological.

And please stop this finger pointing- "when 1 finger is pointed at someone, there are 3 more of your fingers pointed back at you!"
Well, you are the master of finger pointing. :D

I do think the Iraq War is a strategic mistake and agree with Fallons view. However, as a member of the US armed forces he has to follow the line of the democratically elected president.

You should not take what Washington and Teheran say literally. They're playing games. Issuing threats may seem insane, but easily serve a purpose other than preparing for war.

Context.
 
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Firehorse

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Well, most people are just busy and won't do any extensive in-depth research, beyond watching [ame="http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0807061557/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/104-2301861-8497503?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1"]the 6 o'cock news[/ame].

http://filmtv.eserver.org/media-monopoly.txt

http://www.michaelparenti.org/MonopolyMedia.html

Ideology has a big part in it, but the bottom line is, who is ultimately going to benefit? Now I have the "freedom" to pay more for gasoline or not to buy it at all. Is that what the blood is being shed for, not to mention the trillions of taxpayers' $, here and "there"?
 

Grand Danois

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Well, most people are just busy and won't do any extensive in-depth research, beyond watching the 6 o'cock news.

http://filmtv.eserver.org/media-monopoly.txt

http://www.michaelparenti.org/MonopolyMedia.html

Ideology has a big part in it, but the bottom line is, who is ultimately going to benefit? Now I have the "freedom" to pay more for gasoline or not to buy it at all. Is that what the blood is being shed for, not to mention the trillions of taxpayers' $, here and "there"?
That's what I mean by bias: eternal sniping on morality, etc. from your quarters.

You've had your say, I've had my say. Now do us a favour and stick to posting stuff that more than 1% of the members care to read. Thank you.
 

RubiconNZ

The Wanderer
Meh, surely this thread has out lived it's usefulness? I haven't heard of any other close calls recently, and most articles lately seem somewhat unrelated.

Mod edit: I agree...
 
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