Iranian Forces

HOJAAT

New Member
Hi,

I just like to say that most posters here are correct in everything rgarding types of weapons or even what should iran do if this or that happens.

One thing is clear that most posters are tuned in the western properganda aimed at both

selling weapons and scare their next victim.What is forgotten by posters is that the current

war stared 15 or so years go and the next one will either be in 15 years or soon after another 15 year is up for the next victim.

When a war begins they know that its a sure win,so the properganda starts.. so weapons can be sold(ie. the types being used here at this war) and scare the bystanders off.

A war as i know it is about 99% before hand work,and then such an easy victory on t.v

that all citizens of the attacking nation realy think they are always winners.

Since all the other 99% work for other victims(OR WOULD BE VICTIMS)has come to

nothing and the public havent heared anyhing about it,then that is not counted as a lose

since we only hear the last 1% just before the attack and the pumping up of a nations military(victim) to make it a real fight so everyone says dont attack they have this and that

it will be a tough war.......but the attacker knows that the war is already won,but we need to sell f16s or any plane that hasent yet sold good,so they bring in f16 or what ever and film it

killing a few deserted tanks or old planes on the runway or even use a 15000lb bomb to

hit a building that only needs 2000,since it makes good fire work at night while filming.

Iraqs army was in sanctions for 15 years,and the army heads all bought by the u.s.

Have you ever seen or heared of attacking army going into a country behind the supplies

already gone in? or at speed on the motor way?

This happens when you know for fact that no one will fire back.It also looks good for the

weapons you want to sell.

So an army like saudi or kuwait buys these and thinks when a war happens, can then

knock out tanks like the u.s!!!!!!

When it come to war they fight it 100%.. not 99% pre war then 1% show ,and find out these

weapons dont work like on the t.v.

I had been in the army for 30 years we were sent to the u.k for training at sandhurst.

Speradic war like instant invasions of an army needs 100% war and has maney

casualty but west likes an easy fight not even one soldier dead.

Iraqi army was very capable, even under sanctions and could have given 100 of thousands

of dead for the west,just like a handful of terrorists are doing now.

My pre statement was to say dont look at wars from one view that is expected of

you,, get up and look at it from the view they dont want you to see.

A million tanks for iran a trillion su 30 and tera billion ships will have the same result of

iraq if a nation allowes the 99% work to get completed, it also helps more to sell weapons

since there will be a lot of planes to knock out on the run way.

But a nation who wants to fight for a belife,like religion or other... will never be bought,hence

a hard fight just like vietnam for u.s or afghanistan for russia,these had nothing to fight with

just masses of dedicated men women and children to fight.

If the u.s picks on viettnam again it wont be like the past,it will be an easy victory after the pre 99% work,,just like afghanistan 23 years on from the russians.

I worked hard during the war with iraq and we had nothing,but plenty of the other.

So iran will be attacked today... tommorrow,the president is this..is that...

is all the 99% work,so look at it like 26 years of win for iran.

Why talk to iran if you can bomb it?

You are tough?we are weak? then do it! they wont, since they have not yet bought

the forces and it will be a real fight, not a movie on c.n.n.

Thankyou.Hojaat:coffee

 

Patzek

New Member
I tried and tried to unserstand what you was trying to say, without success.

You mean, like, that it wont be easy to defeat Iran as it was to defeat Iraq?
And the US need to be prepared to hard fight?

cause really, i didn't understand a thing.
 

mysterious

New Member
Very interesting post Hojaat! [Admin edit: Stop patronizing the other members please.]totally agree with you that today there is too much media posing by the war machine which churns out all kinds of propaganda. It is true, most of Iraqi generals and heads were already bought off before the invasion even started. It was a walk over by the US. I dont see that happening in Iran, atleast not anywhere in the imminent future.

Edit: My bad Webz, I already posted my comments before your post came on.
 
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HOJAAT

New Member
I am afraid almost everything to do with military forces is polotics very much like a poker game.Ignore that side of it and for ever you play in the hands of specs on this tank and that plane.
As far as i am concerned iran has a very low tech armed forces nothing worth talking about,but u.s and russia have the most hi-tech forces in the world,talking about them is a subject with no relations to iranianforces,unless a t72 or f-4 is what the world is talking about.
Iran has this game polotics tuned for its self,and so far it is that polotics which has kept the west off it, rather than of a few f5 and f4s.

Hojaat.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
P.A.F said:
i think iran would put up a good fight against the americans.
.......................

there airforce:
F-4 Phantom
F-5 Tiger
Shenyang F-6
F-7 Airguard
F-14 Tomcat
MiG-29 Fulcrum
Su-17/20/22 Fitter
Su-24 Fencer
Su-25 Frogfoot


Navy:
IIN Insignia. IIN Fleet Insignia.

IIS Kooseh. IIS Korosh.

HavaDarya (Hovercrafts & Helicopters) IIS Palang
IIS Babr IIS Saam Class
IIS Bayandor Class IIS Kaman class
IIS Artemiz IIS Simorgh Class
IIS Tonb IIS Char Bahar
Special Forces IIS Sohrab
IIS Hormoz IIS Keyvan Class
IIN Fleet Insignia.
IIS Korosh.
IIS Palang
IIS Saam Class
IIS Kaman class
IIS Simorgh Class
IIS Char Bahar
IIS Sohrab
IIS Keyvan Class

if america somehow does try anything then it would suffer heafty losses. ;)
PAF The only elements that have relevance here are the above.

You're ignoring the reality that the US wouldn't commit to a ground war of "force majeur" until all organised and controlled land forces were subdued.

Why do you think every major military after 1991 (including China in 1999) went through their own RMA?

1 million man armies are useful for continental war against a like minded military - but they're next to useless for intercontinental warfare - and close to useless if the other side does not have a policy of "sieze and hold".

An intercontinental warfighting machine will not wage continental war on any power that it cannot subdue and immobilise from a distance.

You need to look at how and why "force majeur" warfare changed after 1991 and why there has been a mad scramble by over 20 countries to change the way that they conduct warfare in future.
 

ajay_ijn

New Member
P.A.F said:
obviously no body can get in the UsA's way but what i'm saying is that the US will face alot of destruction if they where to attack. the thing is that the iraqi army fleed this war because they were not under saddams control anymore. however the iranian army is loyal to the katami ragime and they would fight to the death. as for the airforce navy. well god knows what the iranians are up to in those 2 fields. obviously the USA would win this but the thing i'm saying is that they would have to pay a heavy price for it. Don't take iran for granted
US Army might take losses only if they will have a ground war with Iran.
But in air USAF is sure to dominate and USN would overwhelm with minimal losses.

however the iranian army is loyal to the katami ragime and they would fight to the death
Fighting to death doesn't mean that their enemy(US) will take heavy losses.
obviously the USA would win this but the thing i'm saying is that they would have to pay a heavy price for it
Heavy price,u mean in dollars??
 

lamdacore

New Member
Mod edit: highsea: Sorry Lamdacore, but your post is not appropriate to this forum, as this thread is not for discussing a war scenario between the US and Iran.

Your comments were well written, so I will send them back to you in a PM so you don't lose your effort. You are welcome to open a thread in the other forum if you want to dicuss the political/strategic aspects wrt the US and Iran.

Please read the comments by Webs in Post #47 of this thread.
 
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driftder

New Member
Brit said:
Just an update on the Zulfiqar MBT:
http://tinypic.com/6z0ava.jpg
Has a Russian 25mm smoothbore but is otherwise based on M60, particularly the chassis/tracks etc.
ahem...no way does yon beastie look like a mite 25mm to me. Big and the turret looks like a attempted copy of a squared-face leopard 2 or olifant. and the height to ground makes it difficult to hull down.

no offence but we infanteers keep a healthy look out for hazardous stuff like such.
 

driftder

New Member
Pendekar said:
mind the diesel roaring, and the ground trembling
Really, I find such replies like yours the same as this thread - leading nowhere. The only point of reference to the Iranian armed forces was a hardware list of current(?) Iranian equipment and a possible TOE (not likely as its too outdated) by PAF. Other then that, it's just a dogfight over how the Iranian armed forces will give a good showing of itself if the USA ever attack and how Iran will drag Israel into the fight if it ever happens blah blah.

Really, what does it show of the Iranian armed forces which is the thread title and topic? The amount of training, years served by conscript? Force breakdown - regional defence, corps structure etc?

To get back to your reply, Pendekar - what is the point you are trying to make by saying "mind the diesel roaring, and the ground trembling"?

Gentlemen, I have yet to see any reference to the Iranian armed forces at all except for some chest thumping and wild claims. Can we get back to topic?:rolleyes:
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Really, I find such replies like yours the same as this thread - leading nowhere. The only point of reference to the Iranian armed forces was a hardware list of current(?) Iranian equipment and a possible TOE (not likely as its too outdated) by PAF. Other then that, it's just a dogfight over how the Iranian armed forces will give a good showing of itself if the USA ever attack and how Iran will drag Israel into the fight if it ever happens blah blah.

I concur completely. Either the thread gets back on topic with a meaningful discussion or it risks getting locked.
 

webmaster

Troll Hunter
Staff member
gf0012-aust said:
I concur completely. Either the thread gets back on topic with a meaningful discussion or it risks getting locked.
Building on Gary's comment: If you wish to discuss meaningful discussion on political /strategic side of iranian forces, then go here and bang heads all you want:

http://www.globaltalknetworks.com/forums

In fact there is a topic on it as well.
 

driftder

New Member
Now that we had that all cleared up, here's something I ripped from AllRefer.com -
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Army

In 1979, the year of the shah's departure, the army experienced a 60-percent desertion from its ranks. By 1986 the regular army was estimated to have a strength of 305,000 troops (see table 8, Appendix). In the fervor of the Revolution and in the light of numerous changes affecting conscripts and reservists, the army underwent a structural reorganization. Under the shah, the army had been deployed in 6 divisions and 4 specialized combat regiments supported by more than 500 helicopters and 14 Hovercraft. An 85-percent readiness rate was usually credited to the force, although some outside observers doubted this claim. Following the Revolution the army was renamed the Islamic Iranian Ground Forces (IIGF) and in 1987 was organized as follows: three mechanized divisions, each with three brigades, each of which in turn was composed of three armored and six mechanized battalions; seven infantry divisions; one airborne brigade; one Special Forces division composed of four brigades; one Air Support Command; and some independent armored brigades including infantry and a "coastal force." There was also in reserve the Qods battalion, composed of ex-servicemen.

After the mid-1970s, military manpower was unevenly deployed. Nearly 80 percent of Iran's ground forces were deployed along the Iraqi border, although official sources maintained that the military was capable of rapid redeployment. Although air force transports were used extensively, redeployment was slow after the start of the war. The Mashhad division headquarters, in the eastern part of the country, has remained important because of Soviet military operations in Afghanistan and resulting Afghan migration into Iran (see Refugees , ch. 2).

In the past, Iran purchased army equipment from many countries, including the United States, Britain, France, the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany), Italy, and the Soviet Union. By late 1987, Iran had diversified its acquisitions, obtaining arms from a number of suppliers. Among them were the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), China, Brazil, and Israel. The diversity of the weapons purchased from these countries greatly complicated training and supply procedures, but, faced with a war of attrition and a continuous shortage of armaments, Iran was willing to purchase from all available sources (see Foreign Influences in Weapons, Training, and Support Systems , this ch.).

The IIGF operated almost 1,000 medium tanks in 1986 (see table 9, Appendix). Although a large number were British-made Chieftains and American-made M-60s, an undetermined number of Soviet-made T-54 and T-55s, T-59s, T-62s, and T-72s were also part of the inventory, all captured from the Iraqis or acquired from North Korea and China. There was also a complement of fifty British-made Scorpion light tanks. Several hundred Urutu and Cascavel armored fighting vehicles from Brazil joined American-made M-113s and Soviet-made BTR-50-60s. An undetermined number of Soviet-made Scud surface-to-surface missiles were acquired from a third country, believed to be Libya. And in November 1986, the United States revealed that it had supplied the Iranian military with Hawk surface-to-air missiles and TOW antitank missiles via Israel.

The army's aviation unit, whose main operational facilities were located at Esfahan, was largely equipped with United States aircraft, although some helicopters were of Italian manufacture. In 1986 army aviation operated some 65 light fixed-wing aircraft, but its strength lay in its estimated 320 combat helicopters, down from 720 in 1980.

Data as of December 1987
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Based on the above, it seems there is a pre-revolution TOE of: -
- 6 divisions
- 4 SF combat regiments


After the revolution till present day(assumed and highly suspect) its changed into the following:-
6 divisions
4 SF combat regiments

3 mech divisions
Each mech division consist of
- 3 brigades
Each brigade consist of
- 3 armoured battalions
- 6 mech battalions

7 infantry divisions
1 airborne brigade

1 SF division
- 4 brigades

1 Air Support Command(any comparable equivalent?)

1 Coastal force (maritime border guards?)

Qods battalion (reserve force of ex-servicemen)


Based on the info, each mech division has a total of 9 armoured and 18 mech battalions. So total for the entire 3 mech divisions being 27 armoured and 54 mech battalions - whoa!! And that's excluding the infantry, SF etc.

Gads...I haven't even started on their air force and navy yet....:eek:
 
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