Iran anti ship torpedo/missile, fact or fiction
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Yes $9b budget is a graet value. Especially when you do not pay your conscripts. US have a budget of $380b I guess but if I look to our army and US, for that price Turkish and US military have the same result in battle. I speak about training or like that. In Turkey there is a very small profesionals in the army and good as all military is conscript. It is known that Turkish instructors also train US cadets for the USAF and US instructors Turkish cadets for the TuAF. We have mostly the same jets and Turkey also produces spareparts for the USA and vice versa.
Don't be wrong, $9 billion is a large amount of money to train and equip your troops. I don't know where the $380billion is needed for is gigantic. European countries just have $10-45billion budget depending on country ofcourse. I don't think the US is spending money efficiently I gues because $380billion is Turkey's state budget in 2004.
I believe that the US Armed Forces can deliver the same results with 50 or 75 billion dollars.
You can better explain to me if you know why $380b US defense budget against $45b from Germany.
And the embargo, huh I never know about it, at least it is like nothing because Iran is buying what he can from China, North Korea and Russia. Only EU countries does not sell critical systems.
Don't be wrong, $9 billion is a large amount of money to train and equip your troops. I don't know where the $380billion is needed for is gigantic. European countries just have $10-45billion budget depending on country ofcourse. I don't think the US is spending money efficiently I gues because $380billion is Turkey's state budget in 2004.
I believe that the US Armed Forces can deliver the same results with 50 or 75 billion dollars.You can better explain to me if you know why $380b US defense budget against $45b from Germany.
And the embargo, huh I never know about it, at least it is like nothing because Iran is buying what he can from China, North Korea and Russia. Only EU countries does not sell critical systems.
The question was why I think a homemade weapon is unrealiable, b.c 9b doesn't leave much for R&D after paying everything else off. As far as explaining the US Defense budget in FY2006, it will be $419.3 billion dollars. This is why American weapons are reliable b/c they spend huge amounts to make sure they and those who operate them work. Germany has a great little military, well trained and well armed but they don't really have a navy. If we compare deployable capabilities the US beats them by a factor of 10. Which means the US actually gets a better bang for their buck.Soner1980 said:Yes $9b budget is a graet value. Especially when you do not pay your conscripts. US have a budget of $380b I guess but if I look to our army and US, for that price Turkish and US military have the same result in battle. I speak about training or like that. In Turkey there is a very small profesionals in the army and good as all military is conscript. It is known that Turkish instructors also train US cadets for the USAF and US instructors Turkish cadets for the TuAF. We have mostly the same jets and Turkey also produces spareparts for the USA and vice versa.
Don't be wrong, $9 billion is a large amount of money to train and equip your troops. I don't know where the $380billion is needed for is gigantic. European countries just have $10-45billion budget depending on country ofcourse. I don't think the US is spending money efficiently I gues because $380billion is Turkey's state budget in 2004.
You can better explain to me if you know why $380b US defense budget against $45b from Germany.
And the embargo, huh I never know about it, at least it is like nothing because Iran is buying what he can from China, North Korea and Russia. Only EU countries does not sell critical systems.
If the U.S. dropped funding to even 75 billion they would go the way of the Russian military. We all know that story.
The embargo is another reason I find these weapon systems to be unreliable, look at who they are buying the tech from. Countries that don't spend alot on R&D, my point... It's good to be in the Western crowd if you want high/tech quality weapons.
Good story Big-E. But I tought the $9b was only the army itself and not the whole ministery of defense. Turkey spends 12,5 billion US dollars only for the Armed Forces self, about 30 billion to produce, purchase and for R&D doeings. Also Turkey has now 25% selfsuffiency to produce itself. The 75% is procurement from abroad. Direct exports are faster to get weapons with 1st class tech on it.
But I thought also that Iran spends $9b for the army, and the purchasing of weapons or research is from another budget. But this is my opinion, I can be wrong.
The US is spending about $420b for the whole defense you said. Yes you are the 'rich boys' and have plenty of everything . 8000 Abrams, 2000 jets 130 vessels, 100 subs. And ability to launch the thousands of tomahawk missiles in one month.
Germany and the whole EU countries have decided to have small but ultra modern, highly trained military personel wich will cost less when you have a lot of army personell with standard training like China.
The Iranians, I don't know about their training and equipment. But it seems like 'childerens toys'. My mama give such toys when I was 5 years old . If you see in a Iranian parade, you see tanks on carrier trucks and not driving. Are they real? The missiles what they talk about are green or pink colored. It is like plastic and not what I can believe. But why they have a big mouth? They rely on something but what can it be? It just makes easier the the US when attacking because US thinks Iran is strong and with a surprice Iran has nothing in the front. Cake walk I think. or a small stone on a train rail...
But I thought also that Iran spends $9b for the army, and the purchasing of weapons or research is from another budget. But this is my opinion, I can be wrong.
The US is spending about $420b for the whole defense you said. Yes you are the 'rich boys' and have plenty of everything
. 8000 Abrams, 2000 jets 130 vessels, 100 subs. And ability to launch the thousands of tomahawk missiles in one month.Germany and the whole EU countries have decided to have small but ultra modern, highly trained military personel wich will cost less when you have a lot of army personell with standard training like China.
The Iranians, I don't know about their training and equipment. But it seems like 'childerens toys'. My mama give such toys when I was 5 years old
. If you see in a Iranian parade, you see tanks on carrier trucks and not driving. Are they real? The missiles what they talk about are green or pink colored. It is like plastic and not what I can believe. But why they have a big mouth? They rely on something but what can it be? It just makes easier the the US when attacking because US thinks Iran is strong and with a surprice Iran has nothing in the front. Cake walk I think. or a small stone on a train rail...I think making the comparison of Turkey and Iran proves my point. Turkey has a good professional and very capable military. Why? Because they are partners for peace with the US and EU, they have access to the best equipment and training the world has to offer and they take it. Iran has chosen to get their equipment and doctrine from nations who are decades behind and have little experience in high-tech warfare. This is where my opinion lies, only seeing Iran use these weapons succesfully would change my opinion.Soner1980 said:Good story Big-E. But I tought the $9b was only the army itself and not the whole ministery of defense. Turkey spends 12,5 billion US dollars only for the Armed Forces self, about 30 billion to produce, purchase and for R&D doeings. Also Turkey has now 25% selfsuffiency to produce itself. The 75% is procurement from abroad. Direct exports are faster to get weapons with 1st class tech on it.
But I thought also that Iran spends $9b for the army, and the purchasing of weapons or research is from another budget. But this is my opinion, I can be wrong.
The US is spending about $420b for the whole defense you said. Yes you are the 'rich boys' and have plenty of everything
Germany and the whole EU countries have decided to have small but ultra modern, highly trained military personel wich will cost less when you have a lot of army personell with standard training like China.
The Iranians, I don't know about their training and equipment. But it seems like 'childerens toys'. My mama give such toys when I was 5 years old
My view is that it is mostly propoganda. The Iranian military, whatever they may boast, hasn't made much progress since the Iran/Iraq war. The equipment sits in a constant state of disrepair. Their solution, say for example tanks, is to canabalize parts so others can run but nothing is new or improved. All the domestic production of parts and equipment were systems that were utilized 30 years ago.Scorpius said:
Getting back to this torpedo, What is the utility of such a weapon? It has a range of 3-6km. What is the point??? They might as well take a 63cm torpedo, attach a rocket booster to the back and let it fly through the air for awhile. At least they would give it some range. Using a rocket motor underwater is just stupid due to the friction of the water slowing inertia.
The Russian version is intended as a quick-reaction weapon to be used sub to sub if they suddenly find themselves in close proximity. It is said to be unavoidable because of its speed, not because it is undetectable. At that speed and range, travel time would only be a few seconds.
I disagree.
people don't seem to understand how much noise is generated by a sub prior to weapons release
add in the fact that a sub trying to kill another sub would probably need to go active for a confident firing solution - and you have a recipe for prior warning.
the skval was a woftam imo, one of the technology sets looking for a warfighting requirement - and not the other way around.