I think this whole thing has turned into one huge Public Relations campaign for Iran to scare the west into not invading. Even CNN has gotten onto the bandwagon of reporting some "Secret" missile tests in Iran's live fire exercises. If their secret no one would know about them. I don't doubt that they have some types of new weapons, but when you go to world news every day and say "look what we can do, and you can't." I think their lying through their teeth.
Iran anti ship torpedo/missile, fact or fiction
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No I dont think that you are right. When Iran has built the Shahab-3 missile, why it is not possible to prode a smaller missile with a good guidance kit? Iranians are good in knock-off systems, ok I agree but this is what the knock-off productions (funny or not? video editing. 
Knock-Off Productions.com ) have has delivered enough information for a more advanced system production and integration.
Iran is not sleeping, Iran is not Iraq and Iran will fight when attacked. When Iran fights the PKK ( called PEJAK in Iran) terrorist in Iran near the border with Turkey, I have seen more than the outdated weapons that were of the 1970's production of the Soviet era.
The F-14 Tomcats are flying again, Iran has built spare parts and have also modernized them to use them. Zolfiqar-3 tanks built with M48 and M60 MBT's parts but it has something from the Abrams. Very scary things I have seen. They have also T-72 with must be taken serious.
That missile is real and must be taken seriously. But if you let me to place a joke, I will say: Just place explosive reactive armor on your boats and your boats will win
Greatings
Knock-Off Productions.com ) have has delivered enough information for a more advanced system production and integration.Iran is not sleeping, Iran is not Iraq and Iran will fight when attacked. When Iran fights the PKK ( called PEJAK in Iran) terrorist in Iran near the border with Turkey, I have seen more than the outdated weapons that were of the 1970's production of the Soviet era.
The F-14 Tomcats are flying again, Iran has built spare parts and have also modernized them to use them. Zolfiqar-3 tanks built with M48 and M60 MBT's parts but it has something from the Abrams. Very scary things I have seen. They have also T-72 with must be taken serious.
That missile is real and must be taken seriously. But if you let me to place a joke, I will say: Just place explosive reactive armor on your boats and your boats will win
Greatings
Wow a super fast torpedo! Hopefully that thing got a 100km and guidance and could be fired from subs cause thats the only way u could fire that at US Carrier groups.
How they expect to get a rocket torpedo on a surface ship(platform which they lauched from) 20km(range of shyvll russian supersonic torp) away from US ship.
What a joke
their best sub is like a 20 year old kilo
their navy can maybe damage a ship at best
How they expect to get a rocket torpedo on a surface ship(platform which they lauched from) 20km(range of shyvll russian supersonic torp) away from US ship.
What a joke
their best sub is like a 20 year old kilo
their navy can maybe damage a ship at best
I agree with your assesment about attacking a US carrier in open waters but what if they try entering the Gulf? With the bottle neck at the straight of Hormuz this weapon used there could pose a serious problem not only to merchant traffic but any US ships that try to transit the straight.norinco89 said:
If the US navy has good missile intercepting or torpedo intercepting system, it would be nothing. The missile torpedo's are fast and long ranged. Also it must have tech transfer from the Mother Russia. Iran has made slightly differences in its look and maybe used some parts of their own design. It is all possible.
The Iranians built also their own subs. The Kilo class? I don't know. The technics are obsolete, but are fresh from the factory.
The Iranians built also their own subs. The Kilo class? I don't know. The technics are obsolete, but are fresh from the factory.
There are a number of anti-torpedo systems in place. The Germans have an excellent torpedo based solution. The best defence is depth of intercept though.Soner1980 said:
No, they're fast and short ranged - its the same reason as to why the US abandoned cavitating torpedoes some 20 years ago. The Skval is estimated at 6-8km range - and there is no reason to suggest that this torpedo can go any further. Some fundamental design changes would be necessary.Soner1980 said:
Nobody is questioning the torpedos existence - they're querying the capability of the system. There is far more known about cavitating torpedoes than you think.Soner1980 said:
Maybe you are right, because I don't have much knowledge about torpedo's. I know much about tanks, armoring and guns. But the Iranian missile-torpedo or something was interesting when I saw on the TV. Maybe they have nothing, few US subs can sink all Iranian vessels or maybe it is like Galipoli that the Hormus is enough defended to pass like in 1915 the Galipoli that the attack succeeded when lost many vessels and after 3 times attack. We also had nothing to defend but tactics made it a graveyard. Many WW1 vessels are still in the bottom of the sea...
If I remember my history the Ottomans had fairly decent weaponry at Gallipoli ie. machine guns artillery pieces. As the Ottoman Empire fell apart in Arabia with all the revolts the best equipment was left in defense of the Bosphorus. It was a tactical error by the Brits to try to take control of the Dardenelles when Russia was knocked out of the war so early. They didn't need access to the Black Sea, all they had to do was blockade it with a squadron of Dreadnoughts as the Ottomans had no real big gun battleships.Soner1980 said:
Comparing the straight of Hormuz to Gallipoli is interesting. Iran only controls one side of the straight for one. I'm sure if they see action coming they will mine the straight much like the Ottomans did the Bosphorus. They will have SSM batteries lined up on the coast. They will probably concentrate their naval power at this point because anything in more open waters will be cannon fodder. Backfires flying around might pose a problem if Iran has AS-4 Kitchen missles, if not then their not much of a threat. I think the major difference here is airpower. There really was no concept of air superiority at Gallipoli. Bombing the enemy meant nothing. If USN CBGs launch airstrikes against Iranian forces in the area of the straight most of their defenses will be crippled. U.S. subs would not be Irans problem here. US naval air-power would be the biggest concern to the Iranian navy. Every surface ship would be at the bottom in half an hour. The Iranian air force wouldn't dare attempt to interdict US strike elements. It would be suicide, I take that back, they might try. Iranian subs would be the only element to surivive the initial strike if they are deployed. The shipping channels of the straights aren't on the Iranian side but closer to Oman. Once they start passing Qeshm Island they might have a problem, the US marines would have to do an amphibious op to take it. This is where a comparison of the land atttack of Gallipoli would be made. Gallipoli was a peninsula that was able to resupply her troops and force a halt to the advance. Qeshm is an island that will not be able to reinforce once landings begin. Question is can the Iranians turn the island into an indomitable fortress? Considering they have open beaches the marines could land fairly easily at certain points. The highest elevation is around 700ft on the western half of the island so thats where the concentration of force would be most favorable for an Iranian defense. The hills of Shahab are the only defensable position, the town of Qeshm itself would fall in hours, its just too small for serious street to street fighting. I think the Iranians could hold out till the airstrikes were over, but they would have to start digging tunnels to prep for the invasion and play it like the Japanese in WWII. If Iran could inflict massive casualites that might turn public opinion against a full scale invasion of the Iranian mainland. But US forces could just forgo this option and wait for the island defenders to starve. Once SSM batteries have been destroyed and the naval surface contigent sits at the bottom of the Gulf the US has to run minesweepers to clear the straight. The only defense Iran can give is her submarine arm. The Persian Gulf is the last place you want to operate subs, its only 100-200ft deep. As out of date as Iranian subs are it shouldn't be too hard to find them. Gallipoli was a whole different ballgame.
Good story Big-E. The time has also changed since te WWI. Today 500 meters is nothing, then 500 meter was long distance for infantry. And I don't believe US air force will send human pilots. Why riking lives? Just put on the red button and the Tomahawk's will do the job. Tomahawk is able to bombard first and then it flies to their target to do Kamikaze. But Iran will use their old planes like it is a ballistic missile, suicide jets.
About the isles, it is not so important because they will fall first. US must be friendly with neighboring Turkish countries like Azerbaijan and others to surround them. As a Turk, attack is bad for Turkish economy and that Iran has nuclear warhead is also a threat. We are the big loosers what is always a dillema to Turks.
In Galipoli there was no air superioriy, they never heard of that word in 1915. But the Turks are known to fight with their bare hands and sometimes it was succesful because of the close combat techniques learnt by Turkish army school. The US must use Kuwait or IraQ as a base to invade Iran. But then, it is also hard for the US forces. Iraq was nothing, everyone wanted to kick Saddam out and lite fire crackers. I don't know what the new weapons systems of the US navy is. In several years the modern weapons we toght has been sold to allies like Turkey (OH Perry class frigates) and others and US have the better technologically supplied new ones for their own. Stealthy frigates, more destructive weapons.
But the missile topedo's is not sure of its existance, maybe it is bought by Iran and renamed. Iran also have Exocet type missiles and AS-4 or other AS-xx missiles wich are dangerous to all ships. Recently SA-15 Gauntlet SAM's wich they bought 30 of them are underway within 2 years. They don't say everything because China and North Korea will suppy everything and use it as a surpise attack. It is handy to compare Hormuz with Galipoli, because it can be the same end with the US. We had defended Galipoli to the final men. Iran will also do that. I think a new cold war will rise, this time East (Cina,Russia,Pakistan,Iran, North Korea and other Arab countries) and West (NATO, Israel, Japan, South Korea).
About the isles, it is not so important because they will fall first. US must be friendly with neighboring Turkish countries like Azerbaijan and others to surround them. As a Turk, attack is bad for Turkish economy and that Iran has nuclear warhead is also a threat. We are the big loosers what is always a dillema to Turks.
In Galipoli there was no air superioriy, they never heard of that word
in 1915. But the Turks are known to fight with their bare hands and sometimes it was succesful because of the close combat techniques learnt by Turkish army school. The US must use Kuwait or IraQ as a base to invade Iran. But then, it is also hard for the US forces. Iraq was nothing, everyone wanted to kick Saddam out and lite fire crackers. I don't know what the new weapons systems of the US navy is. In several years the modern weapons we toght has been sold to allies like Turkey (OH Perry class frigates) and others and US have the better technologically supplied new ones for their own. Stealthy frigates, more destructive weapons.But the missile topedo's is not sure of its existance, maybe it is bought by Iran and renamed. Iran also have Exocet type missiles and AS-4 or other AS-xx missiles wich are dangerous to all ships. Recently SA-15 Gauntlet SAM's wich they bought 30 of them are underway within 2 years. They don't say everything because China and North Korea will suppy everything and use it as a surpise attack. It is handy to compare Hormuz with Galipoli, because it can be the same end with the US. We had defended Galipoli to the final men. Iran will also do that. I think a new cold war will rise, this time East (Cina,Russia,Pakistan,Iran, North Korea and other Arab countries) and West (NATO, Israel, Japan, South Korea).
Well Iran will have to have portable platforms for their SSMs b/c all fixed positions will be bombed. These launchers will have to be well hidden from survellience platforms for them to survive airstrikes. I think as long as the US can blow the Iranian navy out of the water, neutralize SSMs and keep their airforce grounded then they can transit the straight without incident. This will making a ground assault of the ports around Hormuz less needed. But we are on the right track for the importance of the Straight. This has to be the most strategic point for Iran. They could essentially cut the worlds oil supply off by a third by sinking tankers, they could deny the US Navy the Gulf for operations and the transit of troops and supplies to Kuwait and forces in Iraq. It is a do or die situation for them and they would do like you say.Soner1980 said:Good story Big-E. The time has also changed since te WWI. Today 500 meters is nothing, then 500 meter was long distance for infantry. And I don't believe US air force will send human pilots. Why riking lives? Just put on the red button and the Tomahawk's will do the job. Tomahawk is able to bombard first and then it flies to their target to do Kamikaze. But Iran will use their old planes like it is a ballistic missile, suicide jets.
About the isles, it is not so important because they will fall first. US must be friendly with neighboring Turkish countries like Azerbaijan and others to surround them. As a Turk, attack is bad for Turkish economy and that Iran has nuclear warhead is also a threat. We are the big loosers what is always a dillema to Turks.
In Galipoli there was no air superioriy, they never heard of that word
But the missile topedo's is not sure of its existance, maybe it is bought by Iran and renamed. Iran also have Exocet type missiles and AS-4 or other AS-xx missiles wich are dangerous to all ships. Recently SA-15 Gauntlet SAM's wich they bought 30 of them are underway within 2 years. They don't say everything because China and North Korea will suppy everything and use it as a surpise attack. It is handy to compare Hormuz with Galipoli, because it can be the same end with the US. We had defended Galipoli to the final men. Iran will also do that. I think a new cold war will rise, this time East (Cina,Russia,Pakistan,Iran, North Korea and other Arab countries) and West (NATO, Israel, Japan, South Korea).
The point where you talk about taking Qeshm would aggrivate Turkish/US relations hits home. They wouldn't want an invasion, I was speculating if Iran opened fire on oil tankers like they did decades ago in the Tanker Wars then it might be needed. On this note as you are a Turk can I ask in your opinion would Turkey help the U.S. if they offered a big economic/military deal??? I remember when US invaded Iraq in 2003 and the Turkish government was leaning to take the offer but then switched sides on the issue. Would Turkey be willing to put troops into Northern Iran to help control Kurdish uprisings?
The main problem is Iran will supply nuclear material to terrorist and they will use it on the USA. This could result in a dirty bomb strike or even a nuclear weapon strike.(briefcase bombs if they exist or just bombs inside shipping containers.)
The US military is stretched thin but a all out assault on Iran is a piece of cake. Iran dont even match up to 1990 Iraq
The US military is stretched thin but a all out assault on Iran is a piece of cake. Iran dont even match up to 1990 Iraq
True, but 1) could USA get such a large coalition against Iran as they had against Iraq. 2) The terrain of Iran is very different than the open deserts of Iraq. 3) Iran is many times the size and population of Iraq and 4) an insurgancy in Iran would make Iraq look like a cake walk.norinco89 said:
Well people, Iran is not Iraq. In Iraq everybody wanted to see US tanks front of their windows. I read in a newspaper that an Iraqi civilian was first happy to see US troops and was so happy that he climbed at a us tank and gived all crew cold water. He told later, now I am in the resistance group and so far I have killed many Americans because they kicked my neighbours door and kicked every person out like they were dogs. This is scary. This is a story of one of the resistance members in Iraq.
And about the Turkish army that will play a role in South Azerbaijan, the northern province of Iran, I don't know, not with this kind amateur MP Erdogan. Erdogan had made a big mistake in 2003 to saying that Turkey will approve with the US plan instead of we will see what the parliament vote. But the Turkish parliament voted against the plan. Dumbish shit isn't it? And now US is against of the Turkish Army to operate in Northern Iraq for this reason. Again in Iran, Turkey don't say yes anymore because of the opposition party will vote against it.
There was also rumors that if Turkey sayed yes for the US plan in 2003, then the US will never leave Turkish soil and only with violence the US forces was able to leave. I don't know about this but I heard some people speaking in this way. Back to Iran, Iran has many times clashed with the bloody PKK terrorist (PEJAK called in Iran) in South Azerbaijan. They have killed many or arrested dozens of them and handed over to Turkey. Now Iran is also in Turkish side, or they will try to get on the Turkish side. And that Turkey will send troops to Northern Iran to control Kurdish uprisings, there are only few Kurdish people in Iran. Only 12 million spread over whole Turkey with 7 million at the south east side of Turkey and 12 million in North Iraq and Syria that will be some 25 million. The whole South Azerbaijan region is Azeri Turks so about 20 million and Turkey will fight for the safety of them if PKK will try to kill the Azeri Turks. PKK is not fighting for Kurdistan but only for it's existance with drug smuggling, stealing, and European support. Öcalan has been captured and it's over. Only Kurdish leaders in Iraq strives for independance now and then Turkey will invade Iraq. Remember that Iran has also supplied the terrorist group with rifles and AGS-17 weapons. Food, medicines, etc.. Turkey will not help Iran I think...
And about the Turkish army that will play a role in South Azerbaijan, the northern province of Iran, I don't know, not with this kind amateur MP Erdogan. Erdogan had made a big mistake in 2003 to saying that Turkey will approve with the US plan instead of we will see what the parliament vote. But the Turkish parliament voted against the plan. Dumbish shit isn't it? And now US is against of the Turkish Army to operate in Northern Iraq for this reason. Again in Iran, Turkey don't say yes anymore because of the opposition party will vote against it.
There was also rumors that if Turkey sayed yes for the US plan in 2003, then the US will never leave Turkish soil and only with violence the US forces was able to leave. I don't know about this but I heard some people speaking in this way. Back to Iran, Iran has many times clashed with the bloody PKK terrorist (PEJAK called in Iran) in South Azerbaijan. They have killed many or arrested dozens of them and handed over to Turkey. Now Iran is also in Turkish side, or they will try to get on the Turkish side. And that Turkey will send troops to Northern Iran to control Kurdish uprisings, there are only few Kurdish people in Iran. Only 12 million spread over whole Turkey with 7 million at the south east side of Turkey and 12 million in North Iraq and Syria that will be some 25 million. The whole South Azerbaijan region is Azeri Turks so about 20 million and Turkey will fight for the safety of them if PKK will try to kill the Azeri Turks. PKK is not fighting for Kurdistan but only for it's existance with drug smuggling, stealing, and European support. Öcalan has been captured and it's over. Only Kurdish leaders in Iraq strives for independance now and then Turkey will invade Iraq. Remember that Iran has also supplied the terrorist group with rifles and AGS-17 weapons. Food, medicines, etc.. Turkey will not help Iran I think...
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Back on track please folks.
Feel free to start another thread if compelled to carry on the other subject.
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it doesnt matter if they made it or got it from someone else, they have them.
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Iranian naval assets
Since we're talking about Iranian naval assets, do we have any news about the status of their new corvette/frigate programmes ?
Besides the 3 Kilo SSKs and a few obsolete small frigates, what do they have to oppose a potential UN fleet assembled in the Gulf ?
cheers
Since we're talking about Iranian naval assets, do we have any news about the status of their new corvette/frigate programmes ?
Besides the 3 Kilo SSKs and a few obsolete small frigates, what do they have to oppose a potential UN fleet assembled in the Gulf ?
cheers
Why are some people thinking that the Iranians have incapable weapons when they madi it domestically? The Japanese had also less incapable and less quality equipment but the have burned the Americans on every isle.
When Hiroshima was nuked out, most of the island was in Japanese hands and they had just won the war till the Japanese saw the effect on nukes.
Ik have found some information about Iranian vessels.
here it is a whole list...I think it is not so much vessels. They must buy from abroad and built more ships soon.
Submarines
Kilo class (3)
SSI (3)
(not much subs)
Destroyers
none (BiG mistake !!!)
Frigates
Alvand class (3)
Corvettes
Bayandor class (2)
Missile Craft
Houdong class (10)
Kaman class (10)
(Good but must be reinforced)
Patrol: Coastal
Parvin class (3)
(Weak)
Patrol: Inshore
Zafar class (3)
China Cat (3)
PFI (35)
Hovercraft (14)
miscallenous small craft (200+)
(Good but must be reinforced)
Mine Layers
Hejaz LST (2)
(Take to much time to lay mines, must also be reinforced)
Mine Countermeasures
Shahrokh MSC (1)
292 MSC (2)
Riazi (2)
Amphibious
Hengam LST (4)
Iran Hormuz 24 LSM (3)
Fouque LSL (3)
LCT (3)
ACV (6)
Support
Kharg AO (1)
Bandar Abbas AO (2)
Delvar class (5)
Hendijan class (12)
AT (1)
Training Craft (2)
The Japanese had also less incapable and less quality equipment but the have burned the Americans on every isle.When Hiroshima was nuked out, most of the island was in Japanese hands and they had just won the war till the Japanese saw the effect on nukes.
Ik have found some information about Iranian vessels.
here it is a whole list...I think it is not so much vessels. They must buy from abroad and built more ships soon.
Submarines
Kilo class (3)
SSI (3)
(not much subs)
Destroyers
none (BiG mistake !!!)
Frigates
Alvand class (3)
Corvettes
Bayandor class (2)
Missile Craft
Houdong class (10)
Kaman class (10)
(Good but must be reinforced)
Patrol: Coastal
Parvin class (3)
(Weak)
Patrol: Inshore
Zafar class (3)
China Cat (3)
PFI (35)
Hovercraft (14)
miscallenous small craft (200+)
(Good but must be reinforced)
Mine Layers
Hejaz LST (2)
(Take to much time to lay mines, must also be reinforced)
Mine Countermeasures
Shahrokh MSC (1)
292 MSC (2)
Riazi (2)
Amphibious
Hengam LST (4)
Iran Hormuz 24 LSM (3)
Fouque LSL (3)
LCT (3)
ACV (6)
Support
Kharg AO (1)
Bandar Abbas AO (2)
Delvar class (5)
Hendijan class (12)
AT (1)
Training Craft (2)