Indonesia: 'green water navy'

Ananda

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I just wonder....does he mean ships at sea that are close to the coast, or are these ground targets that are close to the coastline?
I think the latter what the TNI-AL source referred to. Found some article and blog from French source (example below) that saying Blk 3 already have limited ground attack capabilities.
Thus I presume Blk 3 have capabilities to engage ground target near coastal zone (perhaps like naval facilities).

Athéna et moi...: La France commande des Exocet Block3
 

OPSSG

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Congrats to the TNI AL on acquiring this capability. The Singapore Navy is still using our Block IC missiles.
I think the latter what the TNI-AL source referred to. Found some article and blog from French source (example below) that saying Blk 3 already have limited ground attack capabilities.
Thus I presume Blk 3 have capabilities to engage ground target near coastal zone (perhaps like naval facilities).

Athéna et moi...: La France commande des Exocet Block3
Exocet Block 3 have land attack capability, it’s even stated in the brochure. They talk about coastal land attack capability because the Europeans also sell other types of land attack missiles. See extract below:

EXOCET MM40 BLOCK 3’s Mission Planning software module automatically computes engagement plans to support firing decisions.
• 200 km class effective operational range
• Anti-ship as well as littoral operations [aka overland flight to mask approach] and coastal land attack capability
• Outstanding penetration capability against enemy air defences
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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Great to know that
- Not only the SIGMA 10514 frigates, but also the SIGMA 9113 corvettes arr capable of firing the MM40 Block III.
- TNI-AL now have 180 km inland strike capability...
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Three new 80-meters long patrol vessels for Bakamla.
Bakamla Luncurkan 3 Kapal Penjaga Perbatasan

They plan to add later a 30 mm remote-controlled gun at the front.....
But its just a plan.
The Navy should release most of their smaller patrol duties to Bakamla/Coast Guard. I don't get why the Mindef still allowed the Navy to build small patrol boats, after Bakamla already institutionalized.

The Navy from what 'rumours' circulated still in implementation did not want to relinquish
some of jurisdiction to Bakamla. This is the game of 'slice of cake' that some factions in the Navy fell should not be taken away from them.

This administration second round should put more clear on the jurisdiction of institutions on handling maritime security.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Just found a video being put in You Tube on KRI Bontang as second domestic build fleet tanker with RAS capabilities. This ship build by a private owned shipyard in Batam (PT. Batamec), while the first domestic build fleet tanker KRI Tarakan build by State Owned Shipyard PT. DKB

Below is video of Tarakan doing RAS (also found in you tube).


As comparison, eventough both ships share similar based design,but seems Bontang have some improvement in superstructure. Not having much information yet on what the difference in superstructure.

Some information being circulated told aside liquids capabilities (fresh water and fuel), they also have abilities for dry cargo. However I'm still not sure if the dry cargo include munitions capabilities.
 
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Ananda

The Bunker Group
PAL Indonesia Siap Bangun Reaktor Thorium Thorcon - Dunia Energi

It's actually article about on going development between PT. PAL and Thorcon on developing Thorium Reactor.

Seems more and more signal come out on Thorium as potential choice for Indonesian first commercial Nuclear Power Reactor.
This article that I want to attach from Forbes, is not related to Naval ships, but related to Thorium Reactor from Thorcon. Seems the design of Thorcon reactor with Shipyard related to the intended floating based platform.

ThorCon Advanced Nuclear Reactor -- More Than Worth Its Weight In Salt

So far, Thorium seems promising less radioactive waste, and more efficient heat generation. Thus operated less nuclear fuel. Will see how this going to be developed.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Just found a video being put in You Tube on KRI Bontang as second domestic build fleet tanker with RAS capabilities. This ship build by a private owned shipyard in Batam (PT. Batamec), while the first domestic build fleet tanker KRI Tarakan build by State Owned Shipyard PT. DKB

Below is video of Tarakan doing RAS (also found in you tube).


As comparison, eventough both ships share similar based design,but seems Bontang have some improvement in superstructure. Not having much information yet on what the difference in superstructure.

Some information being circulated told aside liquids capabilities (fresh water and fuel), they also have abilities for dry cargo. However I'm still not sure if the dry cargo include munitions capabilities.
In september last year they launched the KRI Bontang 907, and on the first video from last November they were "undocking" her, is that some kind of sea trials?

Some videos from KRI Teluk Lada 521 from earlier this year but not yet posted here.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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At last...
PT PAL Indonesia

At last, the Oerlikon Millennium 35 mm CIWS is installed and operationable. Now only left over are the MICA VLS, MM40 Exocet Block 3 and torpedo tubes.


And the Midlife Modernisation on KRI Malahayati 362 has been finished now. New propulsion systems, new Combat Management Systems, new radar and other sensors, repairs on the sonar dome. Remarkable that they only tested the aft Bofors 40 mm gun, which is totally manually operated..
 
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Ananda

The Bunker Group
Put photo from PT. PAL website on SIGMA 10514 PKR RE Martadinata. Based on this picture besides main gun Oto Melara 76mm in A turret and Rheinmettal Milenium Gun CIWS in B turret, the 12 Sylver VLS already installed (on the video that @Sandhi Yudha linked above has not being installed). Thus I think this VLS installation just done only recently.
However I also have no confirmation so far about VLS Mica that supposed equipped it.
 

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Sandhi Yudha

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Put photo from PT. PAL website on SIGMA 10514 PKR RE Martadinata. Based on this picture besides main gun Oto Melara 76mm in A turret and Rheinmettal Milenium Gun CIWS in B turret, the 12 Sylver VLS already installed (on the video that @Sandhi Yudha linked above has not being installed). Thus I think this VLS installation just done only recently.
However I also have no confirmation so far about VLS Mica that supposed equipped it.
Thank you for sharing, given the fact that there are 12 launch tubes, it means that 3 Sylver A-35 modules are installed, with other words the VLS is not suitable for the Aster-15, only for the MICA-VL.

What about the torpedo tubes, are they also already installed?
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Just read this on this site...
Damen Installs Combat Systems On Indonesian Guided Missile Frigate

Damen Installs Combat Systems On Indonesian Guided Missile Frigate
ByEditor
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December 10, 2019



Damen Shipyards Group and its partner PT PAL have completed the installation of combat systems to the first of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence’s series of SIGMA 10514 Perusak Kawal Rudal (PKR) guided missile frigates, the KRI Raden Eddy Martadinata. The combat systems installation project’s successful conclusion was marked by a small handover ceremony on the 4th of December at Surabaya.

The PKR frigates are constructed via a collaborative modular process operating simultaneously at Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) in the Netherlands and PT PAL shipyard in Indonesia. With this method, Damen is able to construct high quality vessels anywhere in the world. This also enables Damen to fulfil its contractual commitment to the Indonesian Ministry of Defence to deliver an extensive knowledge and technology transfer programme.

This combat installation and testing phase of PKR construction forms part of this transfer programme, with Damen providing training for the vessel’s crew in the operation and maintenance of all systems installed. This has proven to be a success, says Colonel Dwi Cahyo Kuncoro, DANSATGAS (head of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence’s SATGAS team supervising the project): “There has been a very smooth cooperation with Damen and the PT Pal shipyard, both with the construction of the ship and during the installation and testing of combat systems.”

The combat system sea acceptance trials were carried out over a three-week period. During this trial, the electronic warfare suite was tested by Thales. This consists of two main systems, an electronic support measure (passive radar receiver), which enables the vessel to record and interpret the various radar signals it receives from the operational environment and an electronic counter measure system – mostly referred to as jammer. These two systems work together with the combat management system – the centre point in the entire web, in order to perform electronic warfare operations.

This was followed by structural firing tests and the alignment of the ship’s sensors and the ship’s guns, done with the support of Rheinmetall to make sure the sensors and weapons are “looking in the same direction”. Exocet surface to surface missile launching system was tested by MBDA France.

The testing of the anti-air warfare (AAW) and anti-surface warfare (ASuW) functional changes, were the last tests in the schedule. This comprises detecting and tracking surface and air targets, measuring the pointing accuracy of the guns at various heights and distances and to evaluate engagements of air and surface targets with various weapon systems. It also included the trials of the degaussing system, used to control the ship’s magnetic signature.

Jeffrey Vader, Project Director DSNS said, “The results of the combat systems installation and testing have been hugely successful. As with the construction of the vessel, we have completed this phase both on time and on budget. We are now looking forward to getting underway with the installation and testing of the combat systems on the second vessel.”

The second vessel is scheduled to undergo the same installations and testing up to February 2020, and is expected to be completed at the end of April.


So this mean The OTO Melara 76 mm gun, Oerlikon Millennium 35 mm CIWS, Exocet MM40 Block III, radars, ESM, ECM and CMS are all calibrated and tested by PAL, Koninklijke Schelde, Hollandse Signaalapparaten (Thales Nederland), MBDA and Oerlikon. This also means that the KRI R.E Martadinata 331 is (100%?) operationable. But they don't tell anything about the sonar, torpedoes and MICA VLS.
 

Ananda

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This also means that the KRI R.E Martadinata 331 is (100%?) operationable. But they don't tell anything about the sonar, torpedoes and MICA VLS.
This article more on system integration. They are talking on integration of AAW and Anti Surface combat systems, but yes the article does not saying on ASW system integration yet..that's where Sonar (ASW system) and Torpedoes (ASW weapons) coming in. Eventough they are talking on AAW and ASuW system, it doesn't 'automatically' mean the AAW weapon (MICA VLS) and ASuW weapon (Exocet) already installed yet. Need more information on that.

System integration in TNI practice not always mean that weapons integration also done in same scope of work. Sipri may already put in their report of acquisition of VLS MICA and Exocet MM40 Blk3 for PKR, however sometimes their procurement report can still be on LOI form, and not necessarily done deal contract.
 
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Ananda

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Indonesian Navy seeks USD340 million for new class of OPVs | Jane's 360

USD 340 mio for new class of OPV's. PAL and couple of private domestic shipyards already put OPV design in local media and forums for some time. That kind of money can get you basic Iver frigate, thus with local build OPV, I predict they can get 5-6 OPV with sensors and electronics (with minimum weapons).
Well it can get more, if they only build the ships with basic sensors and electronics. Seems this will be Parchim replacement.

Come out on that projection, since the Coast Guard (Bakamla) 110m OPV cost around USD15+ mio (on 2016 exchange rate) from local shipyard with only ships and seems basic electronics.
KN Tanjung Datu 1101, Kapal Patroli Terbesar Berbiaya Rp208,2...
Thus for TNI-AL OPV which should be with more Military grade equipment, build standard and electronics and basic weapons like primary and secondary guns, I predict will cost triple or more. Thus the budget (plus extra costs on usual shipyard preparation when building new design) can finance 6 OPV's. However if they are only build ships and they don't calculate weapons and military grade sensors and equipment, they can build at least 12 OPV's. If that what's happen, means they replacing all Parchim with this OPV projects.
This is not unusual for TNI procurement where they ask budget for Ships separate with weapons , electronic/sensors and equipment.
Will see how this's turn out.

As for design, found this video on PT. PAL OPV design that they bring to Manila during Defense Exhibition there this year.

 
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Sandhi Yudha

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Indonesian Navy seeks USD340 million for new class of OPVs | Jane's 360

USD 340 mio for new class of OPV's. PAL and couple of private domestic shipyards already put OPV design in local media and forums for some time. That kind of money can get you basic Iver frigate, thus with local build OPV, I predict they can get 5-6 OPV with sensors and electronics (with minimum weapons).
Well it can get more, if they only build the ships with basic sensors and electronics. Seems this will be Parchim replacement.

Come out on that projection, since the Coast Guard (Bakamla) 110m OPV cost around USD15+ mio (on 2016 exchange rate) from local shipyard with only ships and seems basic electronics.
KN Tanjung Datu 1101, Kapal Patroli Terbesar Ber
Indonesian Navy seeks USD340 million for new class of OPVs | Jane's 360

USD 340 mio for new class of OPV's. PAL and couple of private domestic shipyards already put OPV design in local media and forums for some time. That kind of money can get you basic Iver frigate, thus with local build OPV, I predict they can get 5-6 OPV with sensors and electronics (with minimum weapons).
Well it can get more, if they only build the ships with basic sensors and electronics. Seems this will be Parchim replacement.

Come out on that projection, since the Coast Guard (Bakamla) 110m OPV cost around USD15+ mio (on 2016 exchange rate) from local shipyard with only ships and seems basic electronics.
KN Tanjung Datu 1101, Kapal Patroli Terbesar Berbiaya Rp208,2...
Thus for TNI-AL OPV which should be with more Military grade equipment, build standard and electronics and basic weapons like primary and secondary guns, I predict will cost triple or more. Thus the budget (plus extra costs on usual shipyard preparation when building new design) can finance 6 OPV's. However if they are only build ships and they don't calculate weapons and military grade sensors and equipment, they can build at least 12 OPV's. If that what's happen, means they replacing all Parchim with this OPV projects.
This is not unusual for TNI procurement where they ask budget for Ships separate with weapons , electronic/sensors and equipment.
Will see how this's turn out.

As for design, found this video on PT. PAL OPV design that they bring to Manila during Defense Exhibition there this year.



biaya Rp208,2...

Thus for TNI-AL OPV which should be with more Military grade equipment, build standard and electronics and basic weapons like primary and secondary guns, I predict will cost triple or more. Thus the budget (plus extra costs on usual shipyard preparation when building new design) can finance 6 OPV's. However if they are only build ships and they don't calculate weapons and military grade sensors and equipment, they can build at least 12 OPV's. If that what's happen, means they replacing all Parchim with this OPV projects.
This is not unusual for TNI procurement where they ask budget for Ships separate with weapons , electronic/sensors and equipment.
Will see how this's turn out.

As for design, found this video on PT. PAL OPV design that they bring to Manila during Defense Exhibition there this year.

This "Bakamla 11015" design with 4600 nm range (but with just 18 kts way too slow), is actually a very nice design, inspired by the SIGMA 9113.
And with a pricetag of only $16jt, it indeed means that we can get 16-20 OPVs with a budget of $340.000.000. BUT......this budget is requested by the navy, it doesnt mean they will really get so much.
And looking to the past of our fitted-for-but-not-with-navy, they will be delivered toothless, or only with some machine guns and an old 3rd hands manually operated gun ripped of an old LST or patrol boat or something. Equipping these 16-20 OPVs with decent sensors and weaponry, will probably take more time than building these vessels.

But yes, in case these OPVs are equipped like a SIGMA 9113 corvette, than these OPVs are a perfect replacement for the Parchim I class.
 
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