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Fregat Merah Putih Unit Pertama Ditargetkan Selesai September untuk Ikut Sailing Pass HUT ke-81 TNI - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Pembangunan kapal Fregat Merah Putih (FMP) unit pertama ditargetkan selesai pada September 2026 untuk diserahterimakan kepada TNI dan TNI

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By Sept target, PAL seems stick to the plan to install sensors and armament in two stages. Stage 1 base on main contract (dark blue) and Stage 2 base on FFBNW contract (light blue). No difference then most of their other job so far. As this reflect MinDef contractual time table practices.

 

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Garibaldi in Taronto awaiting transfer to Indonesia. While 100 crews will be send by TNI-AL as forward crews to bring Garibaldi to Indonesia Jemput Kapal Induk Garibaldi, 100 Prajurit TNI AL ke Italia Bulan Depan. I suspect means it will be have sceleton crew, perhaps with Fincantieri and Italian Marina Militare supervisors to asses the transfer.

Potentially it will be in Marina Militare configuration by 5th of october military display, before Fincantieri and it's local partner conduct modification work.

 

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Garibaldi in Taronto awaiting transfer to Indonesia. While 100 crews will be send by TNI-AL as forward crews to bring Garibaldi to Indonesia Jemput Kapal Induk Garibaldi, 100 Prajurit TNI AL ke Italia Bulan Depan. I suspect means it will be have sceleton crew, perhaps with Fincantieri and Italian Marina Militare supervisors to asses the transfer.

Potentially it will be in Marina Militare configuration by 5th of october military display, before Fincantieri and it's local partner conduct modification work.

With other words in total stripped off condition.
The urge to show off new toys during Hari ABRI is always so impressive. Like it is such a problem if they have to wait for one more year.

Well, lets appreciate the fact that they didn't go for the acquisition of those old worn-out AV-8Bs, only as a 'proof' that the ship is a real aircraft carrier.

 

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From FB Enthusiats id Markicap. The OPV 98 seems also ready to be hand over. So asside FMP, those 2 OPV 98 (basically corvette) going to be ready for 5th of October.

Well, lets appreciate the fact that they didn't go for the acquisition of those old worn-out AV-8Bs, only as a 'proof' that the ship is a real aircraft carrier.

The Italian already offering, and some 'western' minded defense influencers (including you know who) already spreading the idea operating old AV-8B is better then turn the carrier as UAV carrier. The thinking that coming from 'spite' simply because they know the UAV will be Turkish made.

It will be a combo of UAV and Helicopter carrier. The question know at this rate the helicopters will be mostly Bell 412 and AS365 Dauphin. Something those Euro Salesman not happy, as they want money for Turkish UAV being move to more Euro Helicopters.

That's the realities of defense brokerage doing marketing lobby.

 

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First Local Construction of Scorpène Evolved to Begin This Month in Indonesia - Naval News

PT PAL Indonesia and Naval Group organised a press tour of PT PAL’s submarine construction facilities in Surabaya, East Java, to showcase preparations for the start of construction of two Scorpène Evolved submarines for the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL)

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First steel cutting of Scorpene Evo will begin this month. Two Scorpene Evo will be build in pararel with one year apart. NG confirm that not only the submarines under Scorpene Republik Indonesia (SRI) program will have capabilities to not only launch Exocet SM39, but also under development Exocet SM40.

 

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Also from this id FB Markicap upload asside system instalation project for FMP Baladewa, PAL also fasten instalation project for MLU Usman Harun Light Frigate/Corvette. Both seems being fasten to catch up 5th of october sail pass.

 

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From FB Enthusiats id Markicap. The OPV 98 seems also ready to be hand over. So asside FMP, those 2 OPV 98 (basically corvette) going to be ready for 5th of October.

It looks like a decent design, with the right size, sufficient endurance and capable enough. Hopefully this class can replace the Parchim I class one by one.

The Italian already offering, and some 'western' minded defense influencers (including you know who) already spreading the idea operating old AV-8B is better then turn the carrier as UAV carrier. The thinking that coming from 'spite' simply because they know the UAV will be Turkish made.

It will be a combo of UAV and Helicopter carrier. The question know at this rate the helicopters will be mostly Bell 412 and AS365 Dauphin. Something those Euro Salesman not happy, as they want money for Turkish UAV being move to more Euro Helicopters.

That's the realities of defense brokerage doing marketing lobby.

He will definitely change his mind, if TNI-AL plans to order the SAGEM Sperwer. Unfortunately for him, that UAV is now obsolete, taken out of service by many armed forces, and probably also not anymore in production.

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Also from this id FB Markicap upload asside system instalation project for FMP Baladewa, PAL also fasten instalation project for MLU Usman Harun Light Frigate/Corvette. Both seems being fasten to catch up 5th of october sail pass.

That, is the power of 5 Oktober.

 

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looks like a decent design, with the right size, sufficient endurance and capable enough. Hopefully this class can replace the Parchim I class one by one.

From what I heard there are 3 corvette design being consider for Parchim Replacement:
1. OPV-98 from Noahtu Shipyard,
2. Bung Hatta from Karimun Shipyard,

3. FCX-30 that being proposed by Fincantieri.

Budget wise, I still think #2 more in line replacing most Parchim as #1 bit pricier. However I still predict combo #1 & #2 will be the ones replacing Parchim.

#3 gain momentum after Fincantieri choose Republikorp Palindo shipyard as partner. However I see #3 design more to aim for Light Frigate program that being freeze after Damen 10514. So not really for Parchim replacement.

 

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He will definitely change his mind, if TNI-AL plans to order the SAGEM Sperwer. Unfortunately for him, that UAV is now obsolete, taken out of service by many armed forces, and probably also not anymore in production.

I'm sure it's not in production. I think the last delivery was over ten years ago, of the upgraded Sperwer B.

 

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I think the last delivery was over ten years ago, of the upgraded Sperwer B.

SAGEM recently licensed production of the successor model to Sperwer B (Patroller) to Egypt because it's considered second-rate and halfway obsolete, so... yeah...

 

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What if Fincantieri offer 2 of this last batch of Sauro class as Interim Submarine until their offer on U212NFS become operational ? That's the rumours that I heard from finance circles, as part of Fincantieri campaign.

2+2 Scorpene Evo will take all capacity of PAL Submarine facility for at least 7-10 years, even with 2+2 pararel building. 2 Drass DK midget submarine seems going to be build also in Italy. Thus any Fincantieri offer going to be build in my opinion in Italy, as PAL has the only submarine building facility in Indonesia.

Thus the offer being forwarded by Fincantieri as Indonesia still want to have 8-12 Submarine in long term plan. While in same time it is not possible all can be supplies by PAL/NG alone, within the time line being envisaged.

 

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What if Fincantieri offer 2 of this last batch of Sauro class as Interim Submarine until their offer on U212NFS become operational ? That's the rumours that I heard from finance circles, as part of Fincantieri campaign.

2+2 Scorpene Evo will take all capacity of PAL Submarine facility for at least 7-10 years, even with 2+2 pararel building. 2 Drass DK midget submarine seems going to be build also in Italy. Thus any Fincantieri offer going to be build in my opinion in Italy, as PAL has the only submarine building facility in Indonesia.

Thus the offer being forwarded by Fincantieri as Indonesia still want to have 8-12 Submarine in long term plan. While in same time it is not possible all can be supplies by PAL/NG alone, within the time line being envisaged.

Four (2+2) Scorpènes, six (2+4) DGK, three Type 209/1400.... that's in total 13 submarines. And at the time the last Scorpène or DGK is commissioned, we can start to replace the Chang Bogo's by more Scorpènes/DGKs or something new.

Personally i don't see a good reason to unnecessarily buy old second hand submarines. For the new submarines we can recruit naturally and slowly additional crew, using experience over the years from operating the new models. For such an interim solution we suddenly have to recruit and train a seperated group for just two boats. And once again, special training, procedures, support equipment and spareparts.
This would be the opposite of "efisiensi anggaran". It is just better to keep the budget what is left over for the three submarine types mentioned above.

 

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Four (2+2) Scorpènes, six (2+4) DGK, three Type 209/1400.... that's in total 13 submarines. And at the time the last Scorpène or DGK is commissioned, we can start to replace the Chang Bogo's by more Scorpènes/DGKs or something new.

Personally i don't see a good reason to unnecessarily buy old second hand submarines. For the new submarines we can recruit naturally and slowly additional crew, using experience over the years from operating the new models. For such an interim solution we suddenly have to recruit and train a seperated group for just two boats. And once again, special training, procedures, support equipment and spareparts.
This would be the opposite of "efisiensi anggaran". It is just better to keep the budget what is left over for the three submarine types mentioned above.

Agree about older subs, except for ex JMSDF. They are the sole navy that has predictable hull refresh and what they retire seems to still be very capable. If the price is right .......

 

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Four (2+2) Scorpènes, six (2+4) DGK, three Type 209/1400.... that's in total 13 submarines.

I'm not quite sure DGK will be 6, I heard some noises that it will stay at 2. Seems PAL convince MinDef to put more investment for their KSOT to do DGK functions of Choke Point defense and undersea inviltration. However 4 additional Sub asside Scorpene Evo and DSME 209 still being sought. This will be build at overseas yard, and that's where Italy and Japan marketing lobby coming for.

Agree about older subs, except for ex JMSDF.

JMSDF sources claim the last 4 Oyashio already upgrade to have Soryu capabilities. In sense it still can work up to 2040+.