Indonesia: 'green water navy'

[Ananda]

The purchase of the Garibaldi may serve as a transitional step, allowing Indonesia to gain experience deploying these types of ships and using unmanned aerial vehicles from them. The tasks that Giuseppe Garibaldi can perform are also perfectly suited for helicopter carriers.

In a transitional role, the Garibaldi will provide the Indonesian Navy with valuable knowledge and experience that can be used to shape the design of helicopter carriers.

An Indonesian purchase of the ship and its conversion into a drone carrier points to a new maritime reality, where regional and medium-sized maritime nations are capable of operationally developing a drone carrier. Given the relatively new technology and working methods of drone ships, Indonesia would be at the forefront of maritime drone deployment with a ship like the Giuseppe Garibaldi and Bayraktar TB3 drones.

@Sandhi Yudha I put quote on the Dutch Article that you put, as it is summarise why TNI-AL and MinDef want to do with Garibaldi quite precise. It is to gain exposure and experience operating Drone and Commando Helicopter/Light Carrier.

As PAL claim to build their own LHD/Light Carrier, have to see the capabilities both their own and budgetary in supporting that claim. They claim they can begin two years from now, but I suspect only after present presidential term.

Got colleugue work in state owned Bank, handling State Own Shipyards. He says eventough PAL have better financial management then other state owned shipyards, but not so much. Their opex and capex still walking in thin ice, thus if they can build more frigates and LPD, it is actually already in the max of their reach within present production and cash flow capabilities. So if TNI-AL take Garibaldi, I sense it will be close to a decade before PAL can go ahead with their own LHD. Off course unless the government willing to inject much more capital to PAL.

Who knows maybe later they will claim that besides 324 mm and 533 mm launch, this 15 meter long UUV will also get VLS tubes for tactical ballistic missiles.

The irony is their own graphic shown the UUV only cam attach two external tubes for Light Torp. The size of tubes clearly not able to handle Heavy Torp or SSM.

 

[Ananda]

Friend of mine send this, as this is part of Japan lobby to become supplier to Indonesia defense. Put it in this thread as again 'rumours' Japan try to match on China offer of 'interim' Destroyer and Frigates.

 

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From Kompas TV when they follow KRI Brawijaya trip from Surabaya to Jakarta. This is sorry to say in Indonesian, but from 32:30 to 40:00, they give shown this PPA Bridge Cockpit control and CIC.

This ship shown some panels that still in Italian, shown this PPA originally should go to Marina Militare. The cockpit control model from AW helicopter.

 

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Sea acceptance test KRI HAJI FISABILILLAH opv 90 Meter.

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Another video from FB on OPV90#1 KRI Haji Fisabilillah sea trial. This OPV like other Domestic build Corvette (like KRI Bung Hatta) most likely will have Roketsan Atmaca SSM and Shorad SAM, which is not clear yet which Shorad will be taken.

The Shorad SAM if using present TNI-AL standard, then it will be MBDA Mistral. However considering tendency for Roketsan getting traction in TNI missile procurement, potentially it can be Sungur Roketsan - SUNGUR Air Defence Missile System, which basically Roketsan answer for Mistral.

Considering that Roketsan already sign JV agreement with Republikorp to build missile assembly in Indonesia. Cakir, Atmaca and Sungut are some of missiles that the JV will assembly in Indonesia.

If this JV development come to smooth implementation, then much more likely Roketsan missiles can become standard in TNI. Something that Frenchie salesman keep yapping about on Turkification due to loosing sales. Looking to Indonesian enthusiasts forum, seems his public campaign against Turkification only results partial support.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

2.8K views · 217 reactions | Sea acceptance test KRI HAJI FISABILILLAH opv 90 Meter | Indonesia Defence Review

Sea acceptance test KRI HAJI FISABILILLAH opv 90 Meter.

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Another video from FB on OPV90#1 KRI Haji Fisabilillah sea trial. This OPV like other Domestic build Corvette (like KRI Bung Hatta) most likely will have Roketsan Atmaca SSM and Shorad SAM, which is not clear yet which Shorad will be taken.

The Shorad SAM if using present TNI-AL standard, then it will be MBDA Mistral. However considering tendency for Roketsan getting traction in TNI missile procurement, potentially it can be Sungur Roketsan - SUNGUR Air Defence Missile System, which basically Roketsan answer for Mistral.

Considering that Roketsan already sign JV agreement with Republikorp to build missile assembly in Indonesia. Cakir, Atmaca and Sungut are some of missiles that the JV will assembly in Indonesia.

If this JV development come to smooth implementation, then much more likely Roketsan missiles can become standard in TNI. Something that Frenchie salesman keep yapping about on Turkification due to loosing sales. Looking to Indonesian enthusiasts forum, seems his public campaign against Turkification only results partial support.

Well, at least we don't use the Seacat anymore. And i also expect all the old Strela's are removed from the Parchims.


The KRI John Lie 358 is now in India for the exercise Samudra Shakti 2025 with the Indian Eastern Fleet.

I think the photo of the article is an old one, because KRI John Lie 358 already got the modernisation, which includes the installation of Thales's TACTICOS Combat Management System, SMART-S Mk2 3D, and STIR 1.2 EO Mk2 radars, a Vigile Mk2 ESM, two new tactical data links and the conversion from Exocet MM40 Block 2 to Block 3.

Samudra Shakti-25: KRI John Lie Fokus Latihan Peperangan Laut Bersama India - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Setelah menempuh pelayaran dari Belawan, Sumatra Utara, KRI John Lie-358 resmi sandar di Pangkalan Armada Timur Angkatan Laut India

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Well, at least we don't use the Seacat anymore. And i also expect all the old Strela's are removed from the Parchims.


The KRI John Lie 358 is now in India for the exercise Samudra Shakti 2025 with the Indian Eastern Fleet.

I think the photo of the article is an old one, because KRI John Lie 358 already got the modernisation, which includes the installation of Thales's TACTICOS Combat Management System, SMART-S Mk2 3D, and STIR 1.2 EO Mk2 radars, a Vigile Mk2 ESM, two new tactical data links and the conversion from Exocet MM40 Block 2 to Block 3.

Samudra Shakti-25: KRI John Lie Fokus Latihan Peperangan Laut Bersama India - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Setelah menempuh pelayaran dari Belawan, Sumatra Utara, KRI John Lie-358 resmi sandar di Pangkalan Armada Timur Angkatan Laut India

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The one that getting those modernization packages is KRI Usman Harun 359, not KRI John Lie 358, and as far as I remember they supposed to finish the MLU by the mid-2024, while we're now on the last few month of 2025 and they still hasn't finished them yet as far as I know.

 

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The one that getting those modernization packages is KRI Usman Harun 359, not KRI John Lie 358, and as far as I remember they supposed to finish the MLU by the mid-2024, while we're now on the last few month of 2025 and they still hasn't finished them yet as far as I know.

So, none of those three vessels already got the modernisation?
That means the article below isn't correct.

3 KRI Jenis Korvet "Upgrade" Rudal Exocet Block 3 dan Radar

3 kapal perang RI (KRI) jenis korvet, yakni KRI Usman Harun-359, KRI Bung Tomo-357, dan KRI John Lie-358 sedang di-upgrade radar dan rudalnya

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I try to search for other news articles, but all those articles only talk about "Indonesian Navy teams up with MBDA...." or "Indonesian Navy sign contract with PT LEN/Thales..." and none of those articles tells about finishing/passing/ending the modernisation.

 

[deadlast]

So, none of those three vessels already got the modernisation?
That means the article below isn't correct.

3 KRI Jenis Korvet "Upgrade" Rudal Exocet Block 3 dan Radar

3 kapal perang RI (KRI) jenis korvet, yakni KRI Usman Harun-359, KRI Bung Tomo-357, dan KRI John Lie-358 sedang di-upgrade radar dan rudalnya

nasional.kompas.com

I try to search for other news articles, but all those articles only talk about "Indonesian Navy teams up with MBDA...." or "Indonesian Navy sign contract with PT LEN/Thales..." and none of those articles tells about finishing/passing/ending the modernisation.

None, KRI Usman Harun MLU were supposed to be the pilot project for Bung Tomo-class modernization, the rest of the class were initially projected to follow similar MLU after Usman Harun done with it & then followed by Diponegoro-class MLU, again by the same vendor.

Don't know what going to happened next though, whether the rest of the class will also receives the same MLU or not due to these delay, still no 'official' news or update on whatever going on with this project as far as I know despite how delayed from the earlier stated schedule it is.

 

[Ananda]

All this backs to PAL shown indication of overstrech themselves in taking orders. Either new build and MRO shown stress of capacities or worse back again to potential cash flow management that cause them projects penalties years ago.

Both New Build projects and MRO shown signs of delayment. Their talk already finishing the MRO R-41 projects, in my opinion streching definition on what already finish or just reducing the scope of projects. MRO of Pinoy Tarlac LPD shown also walking in thin ices.

For me the silver linings are newly builds Patrol, Corvette and OPV are more and more being given to Private Yards. This diversified potential problems with PAL lines.

 

[Ananda]

Just browse and bit digging on latest image of KRI Usman Harun and KRI Fatahillah that supposedly by PT. PAL claim should already finish their MLU as part of R-41 refurbishment project.

Before back a bit on the digital image of MLU program for KRI Usman Harun and latter on its sisters ships.



Then this is the image that claim to be on July this year (Google satelite) and August this year.





So seems the MLU scope of work seems still following the MLU Blue Print. The satelite image also shown the VLS being prepare to be work out. However seems the work progressing slowly. Some claim the VL Mica package already arrive at PAL, but work on sensors integration behind the scheddules.

There are rumours that PAL switch work forces for preparing FMP#1 to be launch/flood out by end of this month or early next month. Which back why PAL is walking in thin ice on balancing work schedulles between MRO and Fabrication work loads.