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AbhiDas94

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China deploying upgraded HQ-9B surface to air missile (SAM) system in Central Theatre Command of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) !!! This is to defend Chinese airspace from possible attacks from India at the South of China in Tibetan Plateau, attacks by the US and its allied forces from the Eastern side of China !!!! But HQ-9 failed to intercept BrahMos supersonic cruise missile when it was misfired last year by India into Pakistan...Pakistan deployed the export variant of the system near Indian border for air defense role...but it failed to even track the missile !!!!!

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China Deploys Upgraded HQ-9B Surface-to-air Missile (SAM) At Central Theatre Command Of The People's Liberation Army (PLA)

China deploys upgraded HQ-9B surface-to-air missile (SAM) at Central Theatre Command of the People's Liberation Army (PLA)
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ngatimozart

ngatimozart

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AbhiDas94 said:
China deploying upgraded HQ-9B surface to air missile (SAM) system in Central Theatre Command of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) !!! This is to defend Chinese airspace from possible attacks from India at the South of China in Tibetan Plateau, attacks by the US and its allied forces from the Eastern side of China !!!! But HQ-9 failed to intercept BrahMos supersonic cruise missile when it was misfired last year by India into Pakistan...Pakistan deployed the export variant of the system near Indian border for air defense role...but it failed to even track the missile !!!!!

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China Deploys Upgraded HQ-9B Surface-to-air Missile (SAM) At Central Theatre Command Of The People's Liberation Army (PLA)

China deploys upgraded HQ-9B surface-to-air missile (SAM) at Central Theatre Command of the People's Liberation Army (PLA)
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Some thoughts:
  1. The sensor operators may have made a mistake. It happens.
  2. The PRC like Russia does not export its most modern and effective capabilities. Even the US restricts foreign use of some of its most potent capabilities by downgrading the capabilities of the export variants.
  3. The source you cite is quite biased, especially where Pakistan is concerned.
 
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telpher

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Japanese Joint Staff says PLAN aircraft carrier Shandong has entered Pacific Ocean through Bashi Channel.
Only one Type054A frigate and one Type901 fast combat support ship will accompany the ship, which is not a full-scaled CSG.
Shandong belongs to PLAN South Sea Fleet, and this is the first time she has entered the Pacific Ocean.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1643812775943368705
 
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telpher said:
Japanese Joint Staff says PLAN aircraft carrier Shandong has entered Pacific Ocean through Bashi Channel.
Only one Type054A frigate and one Type901 fast combat support ship will accompany the ship, which is not a full-scaled CSG.
Shandong belongs to PLAN South Sea Fleet, and this is the first time she has entered the Pacific Ocean.
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It is possible that the CV could be a backup for the PRC intention to search ships in the Taiwan Strait, which is their response to the recent meeting between the Taiwanese President and the current US Speaker of the House in the US. Unless it is within PRC territorial waters, as defined by the UNCLOS of which the PRC is a signatory and has ratified, stopping and searching of foreign ships on the high seas in international waters without reasonable excuse is against international law. Just because you are offended by an adversary's Head Of State meeting someone you dislike, does not give you a valid reason for boardings.

www.reuters.com

China to inspect ships in Taiwan Strait, Taiwan says won't cooperate

Fujian maritime safety administration launched a three-day special joint patrol and inspection operation in central and northern parts of the Taiwan Strait that includes moves to board ships.
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Vivendi

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Italian Navy PPA (Multipurpose Offshore Vessel) Francesco Morosini left Italy April 6 for a 5-month long deployment in the Asia Pacific.

The Morisini will pay a visit to Singapore where it will participate in the IMDEX 2023 defence exhibition (3-5 May.

The ship will then visit Ho Chi Min City, Bangkok and Langkawi, where Morosini will take part in the LIMA 2023 defence exhibition (23-27 May), and Makassar, where the ship will join the Multilateral Naval Exercise Komodo (MNEK) 2023 held by the Indonesian Navy.

Morosini will continue to Yokosuka – Tokyo and Pusan, before returning toward west, calling in Manila, Jakarta, Chittagong, Mumbai, Muscat, Karachi and Jeddah. The ship will return to La Spezia in early September.
www.navalnews.com

Italian Navy PPA Starts Asia Pacific Deployment - Naval News

The second Thaon di Revel-class PPA Francesco Morosini left La Spezia for a deployment of five months in the Asia-Pacific region.
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The Italian Thaon De Revel PPA class is interesting -- a concept others, e.g., Australia could consider? (The Francesco Morosini is in the "light" configuration).

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Fincantieri Delivers First PPA 'Thaon Di Revel' to Italian Navy - Naval News

Today, the delivery of the Multipurpose Offshore Patrol ship (PPA –Pattugliatore Polivalente d’Altura) “Paolo Thaon di Revel”, first of seven vessels, took place at Fincantieri’s shipyard in Muggiano (La Spezia).
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Vivendi said:
Italian Navy PPA (Multipurpose Offshore Vessel) Francesco Morosini left Italy April 6 for a 5-month long deployment in the Asia Pacific.

The Morisini will pay a visit to Singapore where it will participate in the IMDEX 2023 defence exhibition (3-5 May.

The ship will then visit Ho Chi Min City, Bangkok and Langkawi, where Morosini will take part in the LIMA 2023 defence exhibition (23-27 May), and Makassar, where the ship will join the Multilateral Naval Exercise Komodo (MNEK) 2023 held by the Indonesian Navy.

Morosini will continue to Yokosuka – Tokyo and Pusan, before returning toward west, calling in Manila, Jakarta, Chittagong, Mumbai, Muscat, Karachi and Jeddah. The ship will return to La Spezia in early September.
www.navalnews.com

Italian Navy PPA Starts Asia Pacific Deployment - Naval News

The second Thaon di Revel-class PPA Francesco Morosini left La Spezia for a deployment of five months in the Asia-Pacific region.
www.navalnews.com www.navalnews.com

The Italian Thaon De Revel PPA class is interesting -- a concept others, e.g., Australia could consider? (The Francesco Morosini is in the "light" configuration).

www.navalnews.com

Fincantieri Delivers First PPA 'Thaon Di Revel' to Italian Navy - Naval News

Today, the delivery of the Multipurpose Offshore Patrol ship (PPA –Pattugliatore Polivalente d’Altura) “Paolo Thaon di Revel”, first of seven vessels, took place at Fincantieri’s shipyard in Muggiano (La Spezia).
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There are two in service, one expected to be delivered next month, two more afloat, & I think two more building, for a total of seven, & last I heard upgrading the "light" has been authorised, so they'll all be "full" or "light plus". With the eight FREMM in service & two building (replacements for those sold to Egypt) the MM will effectively have 17 frigates, up from 13 (three of them very old & small) now.

Its two oldest destroyers will be retired well before their replacements arrive, though, but Italian standard FREMMs should more than make up for the loss of their AAW capability.
 
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telpher

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Vivendi said:
Italian Navy PPA (Multipurpose Offshore Vessel) Francesco Morosini left Italy April 6 for a 5-month long deployment in the Asia Pacific.

The Morisini will pay a visit to Singapore where it will participate in the IMDEX 2023 defence exhibition (3-5 May.

The ship will then visit Ho Chi Min City, Bangkok and Langkawi, where Morosini will take part in the LIMA 2023 defence exhibition (23-27 May), and Makassar, where the ship will join the Multilateral Naval Exercise Komodo (MNEK) 2023 held by the Indonesian Navy.

Morosini will continue to Yokosuka – Tokyo and Pusan, before returning toward west, calling in Manila, Jakarta, Chittagong, Mumbai, Muscat, Karachi and Jeddah. The ship will return to La Spezia in early September.
www.navalnews.com

Italian Navy PPA Starts Asia Pacific Deployment - Naval News

The second Thaon di Revel-class PPA Francesco Morosini left La Spezia for a deployment of five months in the Asia-Pacific region.
www.navalnews.com www.navalnews.com

The Italian Thaon De Revel PPA class is interesting -- a concept others, e.g., Australia could consider? (The Francesco Morosini is in the "light" configuration).

www.navalnews.com

Fincantieri Delivers First PPA 'Thaon Di Revel' to Italian Navy - Naval News

Today, the delivery of the Multipurpose Offshore Patrol ship (PPA –Pattugliatore Polivalente d’Altura) “Paolo Thaon di Revel”, first of seven vessels, took place at Fincantieri’s shipyard in Muggiano (La Spezia).
www.navalnews.com www.navalnews.com
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I wish I had the opportunity to photograph her.
 
Musashi_kenshin

Musashi_kenshin

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Vivendi said:
I fully agree with Joshi -- it seems that Macron lives in a strange, parallel universe, where he does not seem to have learned any lessons from his interaction with Putin before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year. Hopefully this is a solo adventure by Macron.

WSJ is saying the same (behind a paywall) Opinion | Macron Blunders on Taiwan—and Ukraine
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It also directly contradicts the implied intention behind the agreement to coordinate British and French aircraft carrrier deployments, including to the Pacific. What's the point of having the Charles de Gaulle in the area if it would stay out of a conflict involving China - is France concerned about the Vietnamese Navy terrorising international shipping lanes?

This appears to be Macron trying to stay relevant after losing so much political capital over the pension protests by suggesting that France and Europe can be some sort of independent strategic force (when clearly it's still reliant on the US).
 
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Vivendi

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Musashi_kenshin said:
It also directly contradicts the implied intention behind the agreement to coordinate British and French aircraft carrrier deployments, including to the Pacific. What's the point of having the Charles de Gaulle in the area if it would stay out of a conflict involving China - is France concerned about the Vietnamese Navy terrorising international shipping lanes?

This appears to be Macron trying to stay relevant after losing so much political capital over the pension protests by suggesting that France and Europe can be some sort of independent strategic force (when clearly it's still reliant on the US).
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Ahem -- I discovered just now that according to Eric Garland, a lot of the media reports in English media of the Macron interviews are based on poor translations! -- I don't speak French so I can't really tell -- perhaps we have some native French speakers on the forum?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645239508613431298
 
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SolarisKenzo

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Macron's words are not without a sense.
I understand that in the english-speaking world his speech could create some caos and/or misunderstanding, but they were aimed to EU partners and especially the western continental-european countries.
I also see that some of his sentences were not properly translated.
Anyway, not a big deal: He was not speaking to the anglo-saxon world, he was actually having an internal speech ( Do not forget his trip was together with the EU President of Commission VonDerLeyen, whos german ). His point was towards current EU internal reforms, countries just got a deal on the joint ammo purchasing platform and are currently trying to get a deal about the ESSI ( Euro Sky Shield Initiative ) by including franco-italian missile giant MBDA into the project.

In fact, MBDA was given a new contract for the Eu-Hydef missile just some days ago...
 
Musashi_kenshin

Musashi_kenshin

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I haven't read any other articles saying that Macron was mistranslated in a significant way. The Economist, which is normally very hot on accuracy, published an article criticising Macron.

A seasoned leader such as Macron should be able to make a point without the possibility of being "mistranslated". As the Economist says, the sort of comments he made (even those he may have been trying to make) would have been better made behind closed doors to other leaders, not to the media. There is a real danger that he made Europe look like a weak link regarding potential efforts to stop China from invading Taiwan (or attacking Japan for that matter).
 
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Redshift

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SolarisKenzo said:
Macron's words are not without a sense.
I understand that in the english-speaking world his speech could create some caos and/or misunderstanding, but they were aimed to EU partners and especially the western continental-european countries.
I also see that some of his sentences were not properly translated.
Anyway, not a big deal: He was not speaking to the anglo-saxon world, he was actually having an internal speech ( Do not forget his trip was together with the EU President of Commission VonDerLeyen, whos german ). His point was towards current EU internal reforms, countries just got a deal on the joint ammo purchasing platform and are currently trying to get a deal about the ESSI ( Euro Sky Shield Initiative ) by including franco-italian missile giant MBDA into the project.

In fact, MBDA was given a new contract for the Eu-Hydef missile just some days ago...
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MBDA is much more than an Franco Italian company
Musashi_kenshin said:
I haven't read any other articles saying that Macron was mistranslated in a significant way. The Economist, which is normally very hot on accuracy, published an article criticising Macron.

A seasoned leader such as Macron should be able to make a point without the possibility of being "mistranslated". As the Economist says, the sort of comments he made (even those he may have been trying to make) would have been better made behind closed doors to other leaders, not to the media. There is a real danger that he made Europe look like a weak link regarding potential efforts to stop China from invading Taiwan (or attacking Japan for that matter).
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MDBA (from their website)

A joint venture of the 3 European leaders in aerospace and defence: Airbus (37.5%), BAE Systems (37.5%) and Leonardo (25%)

Really not just a Franco Italian venture.
SolarisKenzo said:
Macron's words are not without a sense.
I understand that in the english-speaking world his speech could create some caos and/or misunderstanding, but they were aimed to EU partners and especially the western continental-european countries.
I also see that some of his sentences were not properly translated.
Anyway, not a big deal: He was not speaking to the anglo-saxon world, he was actually having an internal speech ( Do not forget his trip was together with the EU President of Commission VonDerLeyen, whos german ). His point was towards current EU internal reforms, countries just got a deal on the joint ammo purchasing platform and are currently trying to get a deal about the ESSI ( Euro Sky Shield Initiative ) by including franco-italian missile giant MBDA into the project.

In fact, MBDA was given a new contract for the Eu-Hydef missile just some days ago...
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MDBA (from their website)

A joint venture of the 3 European leaders in aerospace and defence: Airbus (37.5%), BAE Systems (37.5%) and Leonardo (25%)

Really not just a Franco Italian venture.
 
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telpher

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JMSDF Indo-Pacific Deployment 2023 (IPD23) is about to begin.
Participating ships are DDH-Izumo, DD-Samidare, Shiranui, LST-Shimokita, FFM-Kumano, and one anonymous submarine. JGSDF units are also aboard Shimokita to participate in Talisman Sabre exercise.

The list of exercises/exhibitions that they plan to participate in during the voyage:
IMDEX Asia 2023
LIMA 2023
Pacific Vanguard 2023
JIMEX 2023
Pacific Partnership 2023
Talisman Sabre 2023
MALBAR 2023

Not all of which vessels will participate in which training exercises have been disclosed, but FFM-Kumano will be calling at IMDEX in Singapore.
This is the first time Mogami-class FFM has been deployed overseas, and she seems to have secured some credibility.

 
Sandhi Yudha

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|"The BBC witnessed the tense encounter near Second Thomas Shoal in the remote Spratly archipelago last Sunday - a move that Manila says is straight out of Beijing's playbook. And it happened the day after Philippines' President Ferdinand Marcos Jr met Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang in Manila, and expressed hope for open communication lines on the South China Sea dispute.

The Philippines, on the other hand, has leaned on its long-standing ally, the US, which brands China's moves as disruptive of other countries' "freedom of navigation"."|

Those guys are so funny....
www.bbc.com

'Dangerous manoeuvres' in China and Philippines' cat-and-mouse sea chase

A near-collision between Chinese and Philippine vessels underscores the dangers in disputed waters.
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We can see here that size matters...
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651736884274507780
I don't understand why the Philippine vessel isn't moving, because they are not moving it makes the chinese so easy to block them.
 
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Ananda

Ananda

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Sandhi Yudha said:
don't understand why the Philippine vessel isn't moving, because they are not moving it makes the chinese so easy to block them.
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I speculate bit the other way around. Pinoy CG vessel seems knows they're by size outmach by Chinese CG vessel. Thus why bother to out maneuver much bigger vessel. So I suspect Pinoy CG decided to stay put in their point as shown act of defiance.
 
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